Guest Bushmaster Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Demo, I am glad with your progress. I got the SCM manual in print but only the manual, I want to do some exercises before going to bed, maybe 10 mins prior, can you tell me exactly what to do? you can also send me files that you have been using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspec Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Originally posted by Demo: August 19th, 2005 I had an eye exam today and it came out to be 20/25 my left eye, and 20/30 my right eye, both far and near vision. So how you like that? Woot Woot. I'll keep working on it and see if it takes me closer to 20/20, or maybe 20/15 (I hope). That is freakin' sweet! Best of luck to you! I think I'll get back into the SCM one of these days when I'm not as lazy. ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 I had an eye exam today and it came out to be 20/25 my left eye, and 20/30 my right eye, both far and near vision. So how you like that?If I may add further, you sound like you have accomodative myopia, this doesn't sound anything like axial myopia where the eye actually elongates. You might have hit your limit though, I know I did everything and I couldn't get any better and stayed at -.50... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raccoon Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Originally posted by Bushmaster: Demo, I am glad with your progress. I got the SCM manual in print but only the manual, I want to do some exercises before going to bed, maybe 10 mins prior, can you tell me exactly what to do? you can also send me files that you have been using? Bushmaster, My work schedule is really tight lately, but I will get them out to you as soon as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Demo, has your astigmatism fixed at all, any more update, and I was viewing your stuff on the eye excercises, where can I find more detail about how to do these? I some reason no longer have the pm you sent me with the pdf file in it a long time ago. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raccoon Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Originally posted by Bishop: Demo, has your astigmatism fixed at all, any more update, and I was viewing your stuff on the eye excercises, where can I find more detail about how to do these? I some reason no longer have the pm you sent me with the pdf file in it a long time ago. thanks I can't give you the exact numbers as I have not been to an eye doctor, the test I took was a part of my physical for my new job. I remember having astigmatism when I started doing SCM but I don't believe I have it anymore. My eyesight did in fact improve. PM me with your email address and I'll send you the files. PS I had one of the guys tell me that file number 2 on instructions page is corrupt. Anymore cases like that? I usually forward my emails but if you have any problems with the file, just let me know and I'll just get it off the cd for you. I realize this program may not work for everyone here as it did to me, but if it helps just one of you then I'll have my reward. I appreciate you guys serving, that's a huge deal and I think it takes a special kind of person to do what you do. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 I have sent these files to Bishop about 2 years ago, I had the CD of SCM. Don't put too much trust on it. There is a reason military is performing cycloplegic refraction eye exams. However, eye physiology differs from person to person. SCM and other methods help with pseudomyopia and the person who is finally free of this type of myopia thinks that he reversed myopia, well he never had the real myopia in the first place. I was able to read 20/20 and 20/30 inmy last exam but guess what, once they paralyzed the ciliary body, whoosh, I got -.75D in both with astig of +.25 on the right!... That is axial myopia which noone has ever reversed because the shape of the eyeball has already changed. Demo, I am standing by for your FC1 test results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raccoon Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 What's the deal with dumajsn (sorry if I spelled your name wrong) going from 20/200 to 20/25 then? Are you saying he never had myopia in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrateOfThunder Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Demo, Send that Instruction #2 file my way when you get time! Thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Pseudomyopia is not myopia. Every myopia is not the same. How come I have 20/100 at night and I have 20/20 in the mornings? Acuity also doesn't measure your myopia, don't get hooked with what you can read on the chart that much, it will not matter once they put the drops in and you look at the chart again, which is called subjective refraction. I am not trying to put your hopes down man but be realistic, SCM is a scam which was recently got sued because of its claims. It is based on W.H. Bates MD "theories" which he developed about a hundred years ago, many new things about the eye physiology was discovered since then, he thought myopia and other refractive errors was caused by exterior muscles surrouding the eye, one muscle was out of tone and pulled the eye pne way, here you go, you have your eyeball shape changed and you have myopia or etc. That is why you are doing all the eye exercises relaxing those muscles but it has been proven that exterior muscles have nothing to do with refractive errors. Google the term pseudomyopia, that is most likely what you have. http://www.allaboutvision.com/buysmart/see_clearly.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Also Demo, if you'd like to discuss about SCM more in depth, please sign up for the google groups and come to sci.med.vision board. Get professionals' insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raccoon Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 What am I exactly supposed to be realistic about? That I won't pass FC1 because I think I see better? I don't think I see better, I do see better. I can tell when I'm driving a car and I'm looking at the plate numbers or seeing the signs from further away isn't so hard anymore. I know that does not mean I can pass FC1, I'm just saying that in my everyday life, little things have become clearer for me because of this program. I only tried to help others because I thought I'd contribute in helping someone get a pilot slot which would be great, but if you feel SCM is worthless for someone trying out for a slot, that's cool with me. I'd still give it a shot though guys, might not happen for you but there isn't much you got to lose anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 What am I exactly supposed to be realistic about?That if you have STRUCTURAL (Axial) myopia YOU CAN NOT REVERSE IT. Simple as 2+2=4... The improvement clearly shows that you are suffering from FUNCTIONAL myopia, but besides that you might also have structural myopia which will limit your improvement. Instead of struggling with exercises hours a day, just go to your general store and buy a pair of +2.00 readers and do you close work with that one, you will see improvement faster than SCM. Yes I think SCM is worthless when it comes to serious stuff such as qualifying for FC1 or Army FP Class 1W/1A. They will eliminate any functional myopia which SCM fixes. I am trying to help you guys to take this program's claims with a grain of salt... I am standing by for your cyclo results, please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Hey guys, calm down a bit this looks like it might get a bit heated soon. Demo, I was one of the first people you sent the files too, I have been doing some but not all of the stuff in there (I know, need to get on it, the mostI do is the reading glasses), and John (bushmaster) sent me a cd in the mail with the stuff about 2 years ago like he said, I lost the CD he sent me thouhg (my mom had a nack for bunching cd's together with no label on them and then.. well that cd was good as gone). I was just curious if you had heard anything about the astigmatism changing. We havent heard muc hback from DumaisJ perhaps he has had these FC tests done that would tell us whether the effects were permanent or lost with these eyedrops. John, I am confused here a bit buddy, It looked for a while you were noticing results yourself... lol all these medical terms are drivign me nuts!! I was gonna say though, not to be argumentative, I checked that list you mentioned (sci.something) back when you posted it before. I do say they do present some good argument, and again Im not going against either of your guys's word on this as I respect you both but just my thought, these guys are visions specialists who are losing money from these alternatives like Myopia.org, SCM. While I do give weight to their argument because they are in the feild, you can't deny some of the claims we have read here. But then I just get confused with all of these other terms like axial psuedonym so, my opinion should not carry much weight jsut tryign to prevent a flame war here The following is just an analogy which is why I came up with my opinion, I woudl analogize it to the medical feild, I have spoken with many doctors that say that alternative treatment methods (accupuncture, herbology, stuff of that sort) is all hogwash, however, my mom has severe back pains and the doctors continually up her dosage of pain medication and then prescribe other medications to counter the side effects of those and then more medication. When she started to see an accupuncturist, she felt amazing (while Ill admit Ill bet a good part of this pain releif was mental) she has felt benefits from treatment by accupuncture more so then beign doped up on meds, I too have experienced some help in my sleeping patterns from it. Herbology my Aunt had to go to the ER about 6 months ago for a heart condition she had related to diabetes, and they todl her she is lookign at a year left to live, as her heart was only pumping at 50% (some % Im not sure but definitely not a good % as they said they were giving her a year to live) and it would decrease rapidly over the next few months. She since then began gogni to an herbologist to help strengthen her heart and she jsut went back for a 3 month checkup, and while the % hasnt gone up anymore, it has not gone down either, and the doctors cant explain it. Just my .02 look forward togetting to the bottom of something here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raccoon Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Originally posted by Bushmaster: Instead of struggling with exercises hours a day, just go to your general store and buy a pair of +2.00 readers and do you close work with that one, you will see improvement faster than SCM. Yes I think SCM is worthless when it comes to serious stuff such as qualifying for FC1 or Army FP Class 1W/1A. They will eliminate any functional myopia which SCM fixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=3843260 http://www.wcpo.com/wcpo/localshows/dontwa...ey/229820b.html I am wearing reader's glasses and they are not 20 lbs. There are lightweight glasses. My only concern would be passing the flight physical for the Army and I would not care if I would have to wear glasses for flight afterwards. It seems like you have extreme functional myopia and SCM seems to work. Readers glasses would also work in the same manner for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 http://www.state.ia.us/government/ag/lates...005/vit810.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raccoon Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 "VIT claimed that it received letters every day from satisfied consumers who had enjoyed tremendous improvement in their vision, but, in fact, positive letters were relatively scarce and were far outnumbered by letters from unhappy customers." It works for ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bushmaster Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Yes, not everyone has structral myopia. Good luck in your endeavours. Don't forget to update us with the cyclo refraction results, I am not really interested in acuity, I have -.75 in both and I can see 20/20 fine at times, usually 20/25, 20/30... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skipplet Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 In reference to the first chart posted by Demo, is there a table of what your vision is based upon what line you can read from 8 feet away? I can read line 8... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markkyle66 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I tried reading that list from 8 feet like you did and made it to like 6 is that good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Raccoon Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Karl, not really. You have to see your eye doctor for that. Marky, that's very good. You're probably 20/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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