Flaco Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Here is some information up front: - This is not for UPT applicants. - We are looking to hire 1-2 current / qualified F-16 pilots. We would consider a TX course for fighter drivers from other platforms or if non-current. - This is for a traditional Guardsman position within the unit. There have historically been good full-time opportunities for pilots joining the unit, but it is not guaranteed. - We have a 50 mile rule. You must reside within 50 miles of Tulsa IAP. - We fly Block 42, MMC 5.2+ jets with -229's. - If interested, please PM me with your contact info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Here is some information up front: - We have a 50 mile rule. You must reside within 50 miles of Tulsa IAP. Is that legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaco Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Is that legal? Why, are you interested in applying? I know you regret never having flown Vipers, but don't you think it's a little late in life for that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 You got me. Is it legal or not? Serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaco Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 You got me. Is it legal or not? Serious question. To be clear: you don't have to live within 50 miles of Tulsa at the time you are hired. However, once hired you are required to move within 50 miles of the airport. It's been our policy for a long time and I know it's been tested in the past (I'm not sure whether legally or otherwise), and upheld. I would think the law would give unit commanders discretion over how far their troops can live from the base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C17Driver Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 To be clear: you don't have to live within 50 miles of Tulsa at the time you are hired. However, once hired you are required to move within 50 miles of the airport. It's been our policy for a long time and I know it's been tested in the past (I'm not sure whether legally or otherwise), and upheld. I would think the law would give unit commanders discretion over how far their troops can live from the base. So no one from the Sq lives in Oklahoma City... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I know of other squadrons that have the same rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaco Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 So no one from the Sq lives in Oklahoma City... None of the pilots do. We have plenty of traditional enlisted personnel that live in OKC, even other states. The rule only applies to pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Roger. I have heard of tacit rules like that but I thought hard rules regarding maximum distance from the base were not legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcollins Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Roger. I have heard of tacit rules like that but I thought hard rules regarding maximum distance from the base were not legal. I doubt it is. They just don't want to pay travel costs when the member goes on AT orders. I bet the rule is not uniformly enforced either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Termy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I was in a Guard fighter squadron that had that rule then didn't have that rule....and it was a disaster. I am not sure any of the "commuters" ever went a whole year without being on RAP probation. I won't speak for Tulsa (or any ANG unit) but I bet it has more to do with unit combat effectiveness/morale than paying travel costs for AT orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcollins Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Fair enough. And with WX/MX cancels and other things you cannot control, it can be pretty tough for a traditional to stay current. However, seems like that's a training issue and not a commute issue. I'll bet you would have the same problem with a pilot who is working a 9-5 regular job, instead of flying for the airlines. Can you ban those too? I'm being a little over the top here, but the whole point of the Guard is the traditional force, but it seems like sometimes its the other way around, like maybe this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Units are all very different. For example, many units have mandatory drill (no excuses for your Aword schedule or cat ate your lucky gym shorts or a rock in your shoe or the sun was in your eyes) while many do not. I kind of like the big boy approach, which is supposed to be one of the benefits of a Guard unit. Give adequate availability, show up prepared and on time and be a good team mate and you can live on Mars as far as I am concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Units are all very different. For example, many units have mandatory drill (no excuses for your Aword schedule or cat ate your lucky gym shorts or a rock in your shoe or the sun was in your eyes) while many do not. I kind of like the big boy approach, which is supposed to be one of the benefits of a Guard unit. Give adequate availability, show up prepared and on time and be a good team mate and you can live on Mars as far as I am concerned. Amen brotha.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Give adequate availability, show up prepared and on time and be a good team mate and you can live on Mars as far as I am concerned. Isn't that where you reside? :) Edited October 18, 2012 by matmacwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayou_Eagle_Driver Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Met a bunch of these folk when they came out to Sheppard a few months ago. Good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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