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5 minutes ago, guzowskienator said:
Finally got my score this afternoon. I'm at a 76 pcsm with 69 flight hours. I can push that to an 81 if I fly 12 more hours. Trying to decide if those 5 points are worth it at $100/hr.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNice work dude. I've heard of several people get hired at guard units with a lower PCSM so I wouldn't stress about it. Emphasize the whole person concept and you should be fairly competitive. How long until you apply?
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On 5/26/2017 at 9:45 AM, guzowskienator said:
It has not posted yet. I assume they're out today as well as Monday. Hoping to get it soon.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkGuz, what did you end up with for a PCSM? Was I close when I said the 90s? Mid to high 80s maybe?
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3 minutes ago, rti35 said:
If you're confident you can do better the second time around 100% retake it. One of the newer Pilots at a guard F-16 unit I recently interviewed at said he had a 94 PCSM when he was selected, just to give you a reference point
Appreciate the input. With my current PCSM (77) at 21 hours, and my max PCSM of 96 if I had 201+ hours, the most I could raise my PCSM to given my hours would be like 79 or 80, right? Just want to make sure I'm thinking about this correctly.
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12 minutes ago, rti35 said:
You could definitely squeeze a few more points out of the PCSM if you retook the TBAS. Are you looking to apply AD or Guard/Reserve?
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5 minutes ago, mb1685 said:
Flight time is always best if you can afford it. If you can't afford it, you can probably squeeze a couple more points out of the TBAS. I also have 21 hours and a lower Pilot score than you (92) and my PCSM is an 80, so I'd speculate that there's still a little bit more headroom for you on the TBAS grading. My 201+ hour bracket is only one point higher though.
Good stuff, I will definitely consider it. Thanks!
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On 3/2/2017 at 9:40 PM, rti35 said:
I think the AFOQT Pilot composite is a bigger part of the PCSM algorithm than it's given credit for (ie in comparison to flight hours). When I re-took my AFOQT my Pilot score went from a 93 to a 96. In that process my PCSM jumped 2 points from 76 to 78. Flight hours/TBAS didn't change. Simple math would show that 3 additional points on the Pilot composite equated to 2 PCSM points but I doubt that scale is linear. For reference another 9 flying hours would put me in the 21+ hours bracket and bump my PCSM to an 82. So for dudes in the 80s on the Pilot composite it might be worth it to retake if you think you can score in the high 90s. Would definitely seem like a cheaper alternative to getting more hours if time/money are tight.
I retook my AFOQT and my pilot score went from an 81 to 98 and my PCSM score jumped from a 65 with 21 hours of flight time to a 77 with 21 hours of flight time. So 17 additional points on the pilot composite equated to 12 PCSM points which is very close to your 3:2 ratio. My max PCSM score with 201+ hours is 96 so I'm thinking that retaking the TBAS would have little benefit. Thoughts?
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12 minutes ago, guzowskienator said:
Are you all using this site? Don't remember entering my initials on the test...
http://access.afpc.af.mil/pcsmdmz/PCSMscores.html
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYep that's the site I use. I think it's the only place to get your PCSM. I don't remember entering my initials when I took the test either but maybe I just forgot about it.
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3 minutes ago, mb1685 said:
I retook it at the beginning of this month and my score was available the next day. They've also updated my score within 1 or 2 days every time I've submitted flight hour updates. The PCSM office is really fast.
That's good to know. I want to update my hours to as recent as possible before I submit my packet so I'm glad to hear it's not a drawn out process (like some things seem to be in the military).
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Guzowskienator, you get your PCSM score yet? I know you said you took the TBAS a few days ago. I'm interested as to how long it takes to get a score back.
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14 hours ago, guzowskienator said:
Ladies & Gents,
Been working on this awhile and finally saw the years ticking away on the calendar (about to be 27) so I got my act together.
Took the AFOQT two weeks ago:
Pilot 98
Nav 99
AA 82
Verb 83
Quant 72
That quantitative score hurt a bit, had several questions not in my study guides. Oh well!
Then last Friday I finished my PPL - luckily passed the first time because apparently a checkride is $650 these days.
TBAS is scheduled for tomorrow. I think I can get to ~80 flying hours before packets are due and hope that is good enough for a decent PCSM.
Finished school in '12 with a BBA in Accounting and Finance. 3.36gpa.
Have been working since graduation, have a ton of family in the military (brother and sister are AD AF pilots), and LoRs from Managers and my CFI (no, I don't know any Generals who can write me one). I feel pretty good but I know the competition is stiff these days, especially with the guard babies.
Anything else I should be working on to boost my chances?
Thanks!
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Unless you bomb the TBAS, your PCSM score will probably be in the 90s (which is highly competitive) with 80+ hours and a 98 on the pilot AFPQT.
Would I be correct to assume that you are not currently part of the military? If my assumption is correct, I would say that's the biggest obstacle that stands in your way of getting a guard UPT slot. It's no secret that the guard prefers to hire from within which usually means hiring guys with prior enlisted experience. This doesn't mean you won't get hired as I'm sure you know, it just means that you will have to stand out among the folks they already know.
Have you thought of also applying for the AD board also?
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2 minutes ago, tk1313 said:
A large portion of the resources online and almost all of the good study guides are holdovers from the Form S, since Form T is fairly new and doesn't have very many significant changes. I think there may be 1 Form T AFOQT study guide book out there, but I've been told it's not any better than the Form S books. The only Form T study material I used was the afpc website. All the other resources I used were tailored to Form S. Whenever you find a location to take your AFOQT, just contact the people in charge of administering the test, and they'll be able to confirm that AR is no longer part of the pilot score (I did that as well just to be sure).
Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. I will reach out to my testing center to confirm.
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On 5/10/2017 at 8:21 AM, tk1313 said:
The link and associated table is correct. Pilot score is MK, TR, IC, and AI. AFPC info is up to date on AFOQT/TBAS, and honestly a source you should definitely use. My personal advice to you is that you should still study AR, but more importantly you need to know that the time on instrument comprehension has been reduced from 6 minutes (Form S) to 5 minutes (Form T), but the pictures are much clearer now (and we don't have to walk to school uphill both ways in the snow). Again, use the link you posted. Also, you cannot use any form of straight edge on table reading. You can use 1 pointer finger, but cannot place it flat against the sheet with the table. Time yourself multiple times until you can definitely handle the time constraint. For Pilot/Nav/AA/Verb/Quant I got 99/92/95/77/99. Hope that helps, and good luck!
When did this change and no longer include AR? Every 3rd party study guide and AFOQT resource I can find (aside from the link in my original post) says that AR is part of the pilot score. Obviously I am going to study AR either way but I'm just confused as to why the information out there isn't consistent.
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On 4/30/2014 at 4:09 PM, donkey said:
This. But to specifically answer your question, the Pilot composite score is comprised of the following sub-sections:
- Arithmetic Reasoning
- Math Knowledge
- Instrument Comprehension
- Table Reading
- Aviation Information
Good luck.
Are these 5 sub-sections still the ones used to generate the pilot composite score? The powerpoint slide located at http://access.afpc.af.mil/pcsmdmz/Form T.HTML says otherwise. It indicates that Arithmetic Reasoning is not a part of the pilot composite score. See the attached screenshot. Thoughts anyone?
Chances for ANG UPT
in What Are My Chances?
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I second all of this.
My Barron's study book was published in 2014 so it was not updated for Form T, however, the types of questions for the Math Knowledge section seemed to be the same. For me, the MK section was where I spent the majority of my time studying as I wanted a refresher on several concepts I hadn't done since college or even high school (dividing exponents, volume and area of various shapes, square root stuff, long division, etc...).
As for the Table Reading (40 questions) and Instrument Comprehension (25 questions I think) sections, there is no reason why you shouldn't get 100% of these questions right. It really comes down to speed. With the IC section, either you know it or you don't. There's really no calculation you can do. For the TR section I probably timed myself doing the table reading section 5 or 6 times with the actual chart that you will use on the test. I found that I got quicker each time. Honestly, filling in the stupid bubbles on the answer sheet probably took longer than actually finding the number. Work quick. I felt that these two sections were like free points. Make sure to take advantage.
The Aviation Information section was pretty straightforward. 8 minutes (I think) to answer 20 questions. Again, either you know the answer or you don't. You should have plenty of time to finish this section.
Let me know if you want me to expand on anything further.
Pilot: 98 Nav: 93 AA: 72 Verbal: 65 Quant: 72