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TLDR: Talk to an attorney, follow state law where you are stationed, get a CCW with good reciprocity, and don't bring guns on base unless you've done your homework (ask SFS/S2 for the base AFI supplement). 1) SOURCES OF ADVICE. Nobody can give you good DEFINITIVE advice on this topic other than an attorney licensed in the appropriate state. Don't ask cops, your buddy, security forces, or the internets. Especially if you're going to a blue state with lots of gun control, there is a lot of risk. A JAG is the next best, but if they're not licensed in the state or familiar with this area of law be ready for disappointment too. You will also want to do your own research: check the state's statutory law, check for case law, and get the base's firearms AFI supplement (from SFS/S2 typically). That said, I'll give you some free advice. 2) JURISDICTION & FEDERAL PROTECTION. Most states highly regulate CCW and/or open carry. You are generally subject to the state laws of where ever you are physically present with regard to guns. There is no federal get out of jail free card (other than LEOSA, which doesn't apply to most military people) with regard to state gun laws for military people. If you get transferred to, say, New York, and carry your handgun on a Florida CCW permit, you're committing a crime. Federal law will not help you, unless you can invoke the FOPA safe travel provisions. FOPA won't even help you in some states (like NY/NJ); you'll likely beat the charges but may not beat not the arrest (and seizure of your guns). THIS IS NOT A "GREY AREA" -- YOU GENERALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STATE LAWS OF WHERE YOU ARE PHYSICALLY LOCATED. IN MANY STATES FIREARMS LAW VIOLATIONS CARRY FELONY CONVICTIONS. Some states have exceptions or carve outs for military in their firearms laws (for example, to possess standard capacity magazines in a state where they are banned, or carry a handgun without a permit or something). Nearly always these carve outs require you to be doing something in accordance with your official duties. That generally means in uniform, with authorization from your commanding officer on G-series orders. You MAY be able to use participation in a CMP service rifle/pistol event to qualify for "official duties." Talk to JAG/ADC, a local attorney, and your commander for that scenario. The FOPA is important to know about but won't protect you unless you're "just passing through." Bear in mind there is no federal protection for accessories, semiautomatic rifles, etc. So, if you own a 17 round mag (aka evil high capacity magazine) for your glock and an AR-15 with a flash hider (aka evil assault weapon) and get transferred to, say, California -- you better plan on getting a storage unit in Reno. In some states even simple possession of commonly owned firearms and accessories can be a serious felony. Plan ahead before a PCS to a blue state and scrub your HHG for "contraband" to separate it out before the movers come. 3) WHAT TO DO. Go read Handgunlaw.net for a quick summary before entering a new state. They are pretty good about summarizing things. There are a few scenarios you'll run into. - Constitutional Carry: Carry on, open or concealed, no permission slips required. - Unlicensed Open Carry: Carry openly, no permission slips required. Get a good holster like a Safariland ALS. You may want to exercise this right while you wait for a local CCW permit if you need one. - Permitted Carry (concealed or open): There are a few cases here, but the bottom line is you need some sort of permission slip to carry legally. You can either (A) get their CCW or (B) hold a CCW from a state they extend reciprocity to. We'll go from least to most restrictive in section 4. 4) RECIPROCITY SCENARIOS BEST CASE (other than constitutional carry): The best case is that the state extends reciprocity to holders of non-resident permits from states that are easy to get permits from. Georgia is an example. For example, you can get a New Hampshire non-resident permit by mailing them a check even if you've never been to NH. Florida non-resident is almost as easy. So just get a NH or FL non-resident permit by mail and you'll be good. I think its a decent idea for military members to maintain a FL, UT, or NH non-resident permit. The cost is fairly low, they're good for years, they're accepted across most of the country, and if something happens to your resident permit (can't renew, lose it, etc) then you're covered until you get your primary permit replaced. RESIDENT ONLY VERSION ACCEPTED : Bad news -- some states won't honor the non-resident version of the permit. They want you to hold a resident permit from somewhere, and they must have reciprocity from that state. Pennsylvania is a good example. They'll honor a Resident Florida permit, but not the non-resident version. This means that it behooves you to establish and maintain residency (and a resident permit) from a state that has wide reciprocity. Generally, your domicile is where you vote, pay taxes (indicated on your LES), and have an intent to return to. Many military folks have domiciles in TX, FL, or VA, so if that's you, you will want to get your state's permit. Be aware that establishing residency somewhere can have tax and other implications so be wise about it. Some states are easier than others to maintain "residency" for carry purposes. For example, if they want a requal or refresher training every few years or want you to show up physically at the sheriff's office for a new photo, that is a PITA if you now live halfways across the country. Some states will give a "resident" permit to military stationed in the state even if you don't establish a domicile there. Be careful that you don't mess up your domicile and end up with tax implications. You may have to surrender such a permit when you PCS. This is how South Carolina worked last time I looked into it. POOR OR NO RECIPROCITY STATES: As you get to more restrictive states, some of them won't extend reciprocity to many states, and a few have zero reciprocity. For example, Connecticut does not honor anyone else's permits. You must have a CT permit to carry there. In this case, you have to get their permit. Most of these states will offer a non-resident version. NO RECIPROCITY & "MAY ISSUE" PERMITS: The bad news is that if they have poor reciprocity, there's a good chance the permits are "may issue." That means the authorities "may issue" you a permit if they feel like it. I would highly suggest consulting an attorney or the local state 2A organization before you apply for a "may issue" permit so you know what you're getting into. If you go about it poorly then you may be rejected; this is bad because most other CCW applications will ask if you've ever been denied a permit, and you'll have to explain that Bumistan, NY denied your permit because they only issue to donors to the sheriff's election campaign and you didn't cut a check for the fundraiser. When you are PCSing somewhere, the county or city you live in may end up controlling the "may issue" process. By living one county over you may have a reasonable sheriff who will actually issue (this is often the case in California), so that may be a factor when you househunt. 5) DON'T INVITE THE MAN INTO YOUR LIFE AND KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. So -- context matters in this section. Know where you are stationed and what the local culture about firearms is like. Some other posters suggest disclosing the presence of a firearm to police all the time. I would instead suggest looking up whether you are required to do so. If you are required to do so, then tell them. Otherwise, don't bring it up. Its not relevant to your traffic ticket for going 40 in a 35 zone. Never, ever consent to a search or seizure. Discreetly record the encounter. Have an attorney on speed dial. If the situation allows, safely put the firearm and accessories in a locked container compliant with the FOPA before the traffic stop. This is vitally important if you're in a state that has gun laws that are difficult to comply with or carry draconian penalties, like those in the north east or west coast. Even if you THINK you've complied with all the restrictions and requirements there's a chance the cop could arrest you "just because." As an out of stater with out-of-state plates you may be at higher risk for being hassled as well. Once you've been arrested on a gun charge (even if its bogus and gets thrown out the moment your attorney shows up) then expect the military to drop administrative action on you, even if the criminal charges are later dismissed. The police may search anyways (Terry Frisk) so ensure you're in compliance with state laws regarding magazine capacity, etc. It also helps to make sure that any gun stuff in your vehicle is in a locked case (even a briefcase will do), which is not typically subject to a Terry Frisk. A previous poster said "concealed means concealed!" Well, guess what -- the cops can search you and the "grabbable area" of your vehicle for weapons with only "reasonable articulable suspicion." No probable cause or warrant required. That can land you in hot water quick in some restrictive states (think MD, NY, CA, etc). We're talking, typically, multiple felony charges for carrying a regular Glock 19 without a permit in one of those states. Which is probably career ending; even if your attorney cuts a deal to get you out of the worst state charges, I'd expect administrative action like an LOR from the military side. If you're in a gun friendly jurisdiction then there's less risk of the local police jamming you up on bogus charges or "going fishing" to find a technical violation, but if you find yourself transferred to somewhere like New York, Maryland, or New Jersey then you need to protect yourself from a legal risk point of view. This may sound a bit paranoid, but go buy the Area Defense Counsel lunch and ask them their opinion on volunteering information to the police during an investigative detention (aka "fishing expedition"). Every ADC and attorney I've ever talked to suggests keeping your mouth shut and never ever granting permission to search. Even police will typically admit that you shouldn't talk to them if they're questioning. If the police initiated an interaction with you, its likely not for your benefit. They're probably fishing. Google "James Duane" and "Don't Talk to the Police." This is tough for military folks as we are trained to be forthright and trust authority figures, especially other people in uniforms. Just be aware that the values and priorities of agencies vary highly across the country. As a military person don't assume that the values you grew up with in region X are the same as are shared by the people of State Y. 6) DEALING WITH BASE. As a general rule it is prohibited to bring deadly weapons into federal facilities, and its double plus illegal (felony) to bring them into federal buildings (18 USC 930). Generally bringing guns onto base (not into a building) contrary to policy is only a trespassing and Article 92 issue for violating regs. However, there are other federal laws that can kick in like the Gun Free School Zones Act. If on active duty you can expect at a minimum administrative action and potentially an Article 92 or other UCMJ action. Dependents can expect to be barred from base, formally trespassed from the property, and maybe some sort of misdemeanor charge (unlikely). There may be add-on state charges if there's dual jurisdiction. Note that the federal law allows possession if authorized. This is where the base commander comes in. The AF has chosen to allow each base commander to implement their own procedures/policy for their installation. There are three main flavors of policy: A) No carry other than official duties. If you aren't OSI, you ain't concealed carrying. B) LEOSA authorized. Some bases will let LEOSA folks carry. This is not most AF members. C) Something more permissive. Nellis is probably the best right now. They'll let any AD, reserve, guard member or dependent with a valid CCW bring their sidearm on base and store it in their vehicle for up to 24 hours. You can't carry outside your car but you can at least go to and from work with a gun. The Nellis policy allows a loaded gun to be stored so you can just take the whole holster off and lock up the holster & gun together -- no administrative gun handling that is likely to lead to negligent discharges. Some bases have rod and gun or hunt clubs. Its hit or miss what the rules are for that. I've actually seen a number of local policies where there was literally no way to comply with the base firearms AFI supplement and go shooting at the skeet club. The Security Forces just "selectively enforced" (i.e. chose not to enforce) the policy forbidding firearms. In other cases there are hoops to jump through (registration, etc). Usually you must travel directly from the gate to the range and then out (so you can't throw your guns in the trunk and go shooting after work). If you live on base, there is often a provision for registering your firearms and either storing them in the armory or transporting them to your quarters. There are often storage requirements. If you are TDY there may be an option to store firearms in the armory; it often requires a CC's signature on the standard registration form so coordinate before going TDY. Many bases want the guns unloaded and cased separate from ammo before you go to your quarters/the armory/the rod and gun club. This can be dangerous for the CCWer in an enclosed vehicle -- any administrative handling brings a risk of a negligent discharge. When I lived on a base where this was the policy I actually got a gun with an external safety as it provided one more layer between me an a negligent discharge in my car. Another strategy is empty chamber carry -- I don't recommend it because a gun in condition 3 is basically an expensive club, but it does make clearing the pistol faster and easier in the car before you go through the gate. I'll shamefully admit when I lived on base occasionally I did this out of laziness more than anything else. If you think your base's policy should be updated then I encourage you to contact your chain of command and the security forces S2. Ask for a copy of the policy first so you can read it carefully. Draft some suggested changes and have a JAG look at them over lunch. Copying the Nellis AFB policy would be a fantastic start for most places. 7) I HEARD CCW WAS AUTHORIZED ON BASE NOW THOUGH! Fake News. In the closing year of the Obama administration, the Pentagon updated DODI 5210.56 to theoretically allow a pathway to CCW on base. Read DODI 5210.56 carefully and you'll find that its a process that is nearly impossible to comply with, and needs to be re-authorized on a regular basis. I'd be shocked if anyone actually is carrying anywhere in DOD under the new DODI 5210.56. Spoiler Alert: Making it easier to carry guns was not a priority for the Obama administration. This is just my guess, but I suspect that they just decided to get out in front of this issue as Congress was starting to make noise about putting something in the NDAA. Rather than accepting whatever Congress came up with (which might actually let people carry guns on base) the administration decided to draft something that on the surface looks like there's a way to carry (and they got a ton of press about it, and defused congressional action entirely), but in reality is so convoluted and impossible to comply with that in practice it will never happen. I am not aware of any changes to DODI 5210.56 in the last two years. Despite much talk from senior leaders the actual process is the same. I'll also say that most commanders will inherently be risk averse about this. After the Ft Hood shooting the base commander was promoted. The fact is that if a bunch of military folks on base get shot up then its an unpredictable unpreventable tragedy, or maybe some intel agency's fault. If the base/CC allows carry of some sort and one guy has a negligent discharge on base, then that base/CC is probably toast. It takes a commander with courage and a certain set of values to trust their personnel to transport firearms on base. Finally, there are some programs like the unit marshal program that you can ask your CC to look into. That entails getting some folks in the unit officially armed up with issue sidearms at work as a randomized force protection measure. Its not really "CCW on base" when you go to the commissary but it is a valuable FP tool. 😎 GOOD NEWS. The NDAA a few years ago prohibited commanders from making rules about your guns OFF BASE. This stemmed from US Army Alaska (and a few other places) forbidding soldiers from carrying even off-duty, off-base and making rules about storage, etc. What you do off base is your business. When buying guns, you are considered to be a resident of where your PCS orders station you. This means you can buy handguns or long guns where you are stationed. 9) A FEW USEFUL THINGS Having an FFL03 (Curios and Relics) license can be quite helpful. It costs $30. The value for military members is two folks: 1) You can acquire C&R guns (older ones) in interstate commerce. That means if you're TDY somewhere and see a neat older gun you can get it. There are some handguns that could be pressed into self defense roles (CZ82 is probably the best) on the C&R list, and in a few years, ARs and Berettas will start coming onto the list too. 2) Common carriers (UPS, etc) often want to mail from an FFL to an FFL. If you have an FFL, then they'll accept your package to mail a gun to yourself. Shipping a gun to yourself is often the easiest way to deal with certain PCS scenarios. If you don't have the C&R 03, then the common carrier may not let you ship through them, so you'll have to pay a FFL to do it for you. The FFL03 takes a few weeks to get in the mail so plan ahead if you have a PCS coming up. Especially useful if you don't want to hand carry guns through somewhere like Canada or New York, and if you don't want the movers handling them. Consider joining something like Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. I like ACLDN because they have a bunch of local attorneys in their rolodex. When you move every few years its handy to have that kind of info to throw into your phone before a PCS. About me: I'm an NRA instructor (to include the Personal Protection Outside the Home course) and have dealt with CCW across the country from the northeast to Constitutional Carry land. I've also worked with attorneys on CCW issues. I've dealt with the hoops to hunt on base, and spoken with wing kings and JAGs about on base carry policies (and how to improve them). I've also worked force protection with the security forces, know the AFIs, and have helped coordinate on local base policies.

I just PCSd out to Nellis and wanted to leave a review now that we've closed, moved in, and paid our first payment. Based on the suggestions here I called National Bank of Kansas. They blew NFCU, USAA, a local lender used by my realtor, and another local lender (as well as an internet search) out of the water with regard to overall fees and rates. I worked with Jackie R. and she was professional and friendly throughout. Unlike some of the other banks who played games with changing around the loan officer, not wanting to give the straight scoop on rates/points/fees, etc she was consistent and straight up throughout the shopping process. Once I put in an offer on a house the seller came back with a counter -- the main condition was that we close in under three weeks, over the holidays to boot. I was worried as most VA loans take awhile but a quick phone call to Jackie at NBOKC and the word was "no problem -- press." She had the loan finalized and we closed a few days early. My realtor was super happy about working with them. Other folks in my sq used the same realtor and a different lender and had huge problems. With our first payment came a bottle of Kansas City BBQ sauce and a nice thank you for the business note. Nice touch. All in all the process was easy. The referrals out of this thread saved me a significant amount of money, time and hassle. ETA -- Final rate was 3.25% for a 15 yr fixed with $2200 lender credit (reverse points). They offered 3% with no lender credit. We'll only be in the house for a few years so the credit was a no-brainer. No origination charge (other than the mandatory VA fee) and their other fees (for appraisal, escrow, etc) were standard and reasonable.

You need to go to JAG to get the straight answer. They were pretty smart on residency issues when I was stationed at Elmendorf. That said... Alaska is an excellent state for both of you to establish residency in: - Excellent hunting/fishing, including benefits for residents only like unguided brown bear hunts - Alaska rural land grant program for vets & residents - Permanent Fund Dividend every year - Western Undergrad Exchange member (share in-state tuition rates across the west) - No state income tax - Generally low fees for things like car registration - Outstanding Concealed Weapons Permit reciprocity - Driver's licenses never expire for AD mil or spouses stationed out of the state - Competitive Federal Senate elections (for you voters out there) - Alaska's 529 college savings plan has a tuition-lock option which is nice That said, the Military Spouse's Residency Relief Act, a federal law, allows spouses to retain their former state of residence for tax and voting purposes. While these are strong determinants of one's domicile, it does NOT allow a spouse to retain their old residency "for all purposes whatsoever" and is not as broad as the Soldier's and Sailor's Civil Relief Act. She may have issues with driver's licenses if she does not change residency. Alaska law states that all non-residents must get an AK driver's license 90 days after "entry into the state." The AS 28.15.021 (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/akstatutes/28/28.15./01./28.15.021.) lays out exceptions. There is a specific exemption for AD military: a member of the armed forces of the United States who has a valid driver's license issued by another jurisdiction when the permanent residence of the member is maintained in that jurisdiction; There is no such exemption for dependents, and Mil Spouse's Residency Relief Act may not provide protection. Unless you or your wife have a strong reason to retain FL residency, I would take action to switch EVERYTHING to Alaska ASAP. Make your residency bulletproof: register and title cars there, register to vote, change your LES, get professional certifications transferred, join some civic organizations, etc. The PFD is a great benefit; we continue to go back to visit (and thus retain eligible) and basically get an Alaska vacation paid for. We've done a fly-in brown bear hunt, fishing trip, and winter ski vacation financed mostly by PFD since PCSing out. I'm looking at guard/reserve options to get back. We loved it and want to retire there. That said, you can qualify for hunting/fishing priveleges if you do not change your residency: http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=huntlicense.military Per AS 16.05.940(27)(A), a person can qualify by maintaining their domicile in the state for the preceding 12 consecutive months, and not claiming residency or obtaining benefits of residency in another state, territory or country. This type of residency is indefinite and may be permanent if the qualifications continue to be met. Per AS 16.05.940(27)©, a member of the military service or United States Coast Guard and their dependents may purchase a "resident" license after being stationed in Alaska for 12 consecutive months without any intent to make Alaska their domicile, and in spite of their claiming domicile in another state. This type of residency is temporary and expires immediately upon a transfer to another state. The BL though is to talk to JAG, and be careful to avoid muddying the waters with regard to residency.