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A silver lining might be the fact that the DoD had to prove it would be "detrimental to the force" to justify not paying the full amount. RAND also hedged their answer by admitting that the increase in flight pay would increase the number of people wanting to join the guard/reserve. So according to them, individual participation would decrease but recruiting/retention numbers would increase.
The language in the NDAA has bipartisan support so probably just my bias coming out but I don't think this report is the smoking gun the DoD I'm sure was hoping for but still frustrating from our perspective. I honestly don't get the level of effort the AF/DoD puts into NOT paying us...
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On 1/11/2023 at 11:49 PM, nsplayr said:
Dude this kind of shit infuriates me. Congress passed a law, it's signed by the President, it directs the DoD to do X,Y, or Z. The DoD then fails to take any action, can't update AFIs in a timely fashion, provides vague or no business rule guidance or policy memos, and then just fucking gets away with it sometimes for YEARS. If I were a Congressman I would unscrew heads and start shitting down necks until the law was implemented.
This same thing has happened with the 2021 NDAA expanded baby leave on the Guard side. I've literally been told I (and quite a few other guys in my unit) fall into an "unfortunate Catch-22" that prevents us from taking the leave...it's shenanigans. We had babies (well, our wives did, thanks dear!), we earned the leave, but we can't take it, what kind of fuckery is that? Our local-level commanders are pissed and sympathetic, but they are hamstrung by MAJCOM and NGB nonners who are saying it can't be done.
An officer's job, IMHO, is to receive intent from his/her superiors all the way up to the NCA, and then apply his/her knowledge, skills, leadership, creativity and ingenuity in order to meet that intent with appropriate effects on the battlefield, however that is defined for your career field.
Somehow every single one (ok, to be fair, 99.69%) of our personnelists and finance officers seems to have missed that very important lesson from their commissioning source and subsequent PME. As a group, they are pedantic, lawyerly, miserly bean counter shoe clerks who treat every single dollar as if it's coming out of their own personal wallet and scour every single potentially beneficial personnel policy for loopholes and ways they can fuck people over rather than implementing the intent of the policy as written.
/rant off
Well looks like the Air Force's lap dog agrees with not paying us the full flight pay:
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA669-1.html
Key Findings
- The yearly cost increase associated with paying members of the RC risk pay and flight pay at the full monthly rate would range from $46.3 million to $88.5 million annually, or 100 percent to 194 percent over the baseline of $45.7 million annually. Although the cost increase would represent a substantial increase in the S&I pay budget, it would be small relative to the overall RC personnel budget: less than 0.4 percent for fiscal year 2021.
- RC members serve more periods per month than the stereotypical one weekend per month and two weeks in the summer. The implication is that the cost increase associated with a full-rate S&I pay policy is less than expected because RC members are already paid closer to the full monthly rate than expected.
- The number of RC members who would qualify or would potentially qualify for either hazardous duty incentive pay or aviation incentive pay in a given month ranges from 17,796 to 379,148 (out of more than 800,000 total members).
- The full-rate policy could reduce incentives to participate in the RC for more than the minimum required training periods. Thus, the full-rate policy would adversely affect readiness. Furthermore, the full monthly rate policy would be inefficient because it would increase costs while potentially reducing participation—i.e., paying more for less.
From my scientific research (IE asking around the sq) this is not the story I've gathered but I'm sure their simulations are smarter than asking actual people.......I know in my small corner of the woods a lot of our min runners (IE dudes who show up MAYBE once a quarter would actually start flying at least a local once a month....
My guess is will be the BS ammo they try and present Congress to get out of paying us full flight pay....
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On 12/9/2022 at 6:22 PM, nsplayr said:
Has there been any progress on seeing an entire month’s or flight pay for just attending drill for DSGs? I thought that was part of the last NDAA but maybe it was only talked about. I’ve been on full-time orders for a bit so I haven’t kept track super closely.
My going assumption is that it’s the law but DFAS somehow can’t execute it so…fuck us apparently 🤷♂️
The DoD was supposed to submit a report NLT Oct 1, 2023 on how they were going to implement the full flight pay raise. They could try and get out of it if they could justify that raising guard/reserve flight pay to full pay was "detrimental to the force".
They (DoD) basically ignored the requirement and didnt do the report. The writers of that verbiage then called the DoD out for not submitting said report and the DoD asked for an extension.....that's the last I've heard of it...haven't had a chance to check and see if they tried to strip the language from FY23 NDAA.
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On 8/15/2022 at 12:06 AM, herkbier said:
I saw a thing a while back that said flights pay for TRs/DSGs won’t be prorated anymore; work one day, get the whole month of pay. I think it was supposed to take effect FY23, am I remembering correctly? Is that real?
Yep....for a while they tried to pass it as the "Guard/Reserve Pay Disparity Act".....got lost in committee's so they inserted the language into this years (FY22) NDAA. Below is all the legalese BS straight from the NDAA however bottom line is the SecDef has until 30 Sept 22 to submit a report on how to implement/pay for it and it should go into affect FY23.
SEC. 602. EQUAL INCENTIVE PAY FOR MEMBERS OF THE RESERVE
COMPONENTS OF THE ARMED FORCES.
(a) In General.--Subchapter II of chapter 5 of title 37, United
States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new section:
``Sec. 357. <> Incentive pay authorities for
members of the reserve components of the armed
forces
``Notwithstanding section 1004 of this title, the Secretary
concerned shall pay a member of the reserve component of an armed force
incentive pay in the same monthly amount as that paid to a member in the
regular component of such armed force performing comparable work
requiring comparable skills.''.
(b) Technical Amendment.--The table of sections at the beginning of
such chapter <> is amended by inserting after
the item relating to section 356 the following:
``357. Incentive pay authorities for members of the reserve components
of the armed forces.''.
(c) <> Report.--Not later than September
30, 2022, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to the Committees on
Armed Services of the Senate and House of Representatives a report
containing--
(1) <> the plan of the Secretary to implement
section 357 of such title, as added by subsection (a);
(2) <> an estimate of the costs of
such implementation;
(3) the number of members described in such section; and
(4) <> any other matter the Secretary
determines relevant.
(d) Implementation Date.--The Secretary may not implement section
357 of such title, as added by subsection (a) until after--
(1) submission of the report under subsection (b); and
(2) <> the Secretary
determines and certifies in writing to the Committees on Armed
Services of the Senate and House of Representatives that such
implementation shall not have a detrimental effect on the force
structure of an Armed Force concerned, including with regard to
recruiting or retention of members in the regular component of
such Armed Force.
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On 4/30/2022 at 11:25 AM, 17D_guy said:
Anyone doing Austin this year? I went last year and had some complaints, but the race was awesome. Going again this year.
I'll be going again this year....we went last year and sat at turn 12. We are at turn 12 again this year. Made for a fun race being that it's at the end of the DRS zone and you can see turns 13, 14, 15 from the seats too. We go with a group of about 12 guys and learned that it is well worth renting a limo for race day. Don't have to worry about a DD or arriving/departing....makes the busiest day a bit more fun/relaxing.....we typically rent a car from Turo which saves a chunk of change and stay about 30 min away from the track (and away from Austin) in an AirBnB. All in cost wise (not including airfare) it's right around $1,500/person for race (all 3 days)/trans/lodging.
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On 7/20/2021 at 2:33 PM, HeyWatchThis said:
Depends on which bonus you are talking about. Technically (Reserve side, can't speak for Guard) we have two bonuses going on right now.
1. We have a 14% salary bump that gets paid out on each LES. That's bonus #1
2. AFRC a few years ago signed off on an annual pilot retention bonus as well. It comes out as an announcement on MyPers each year. This year its $18k per year and you can sign up for it for 1-4 years. Kicker is AFRC got lazy and copy/pasted the AD bonus verbiage so even though its an "ART" bonus, you have to be past your initial UPT commitment date to get it.....
Quoting myself because it's coming up on a year since this post and and it relates to bonus #2. Has anyone heard any info on why (during a pilot shortage still) that AFRC decided to change the ART bonus from 10 YAS to 11 YAS....in essence making guys wait another year before being eligible?
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On the reserve side did anyone notice they changed the requirement from 10 YAS to 11 YAS? Did that happen on the AD side as well? Did the UPT commitment go from 10 to 11 years?
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On 7/10/2021 at 12:22 PM, Hopefulflyer389 said:
Where could I find info on the ART bonus?
Depends on which bonus you are talking about. Technically (Reserve side, can't speak for Guard) we have two bonuses going on right now.
1. We have a 14% salary bump that gets paid out on each LES. That's bonus #1
2. AFRC a few years ago signed off on an annual pilot retention bonus as well. It comes out as an announcement on MyPers each year. This year its $18k per year and you can sign up for it for 1-4 years. Kicker is AFRC got lazy and copy/pasted the AD bonus verbiage so even though its an "ART" bonus, you have to be past your initial UPT commitment date to get it.....
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Just make sure you are on KG (Absent US) and not the civilian LWOP code. At the beginning of each FY you cross over you will still get your 120 hours of LM. I'm too lazy to look it up but one thing you could check into as well is the additional 22 days you can get of differential pay. If the orders qualify you get the difference in pay between your military pay and government pay. So you might be able to get those as well each FY while you are on orders....Another way to stretch out as much as possible is to make sure you hold back enough leave to drop a day of leave on either the front or backside of a holiday. That way you can claim the holiday as LH instead of KG......
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Thanks dude appreciate the info!
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Hey guys....got a buddy heading to Vance on a short notice PCS (moving in either December or Jan). He will be bringing a wife and 3 kiddos. The oldest will start kindergarten next year. He isn't a flyer so short commute for early go's not as big of a deal vs coming in as an IP. Any gouge on neighborhoods to look at, avoid, etc? Any other info updated info on the area is appreciated.
Thanks!
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Like others have said we were told we would get 4 slots FY20 (I believe) followed by 14 in FY21.......
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On 8/17/2018 at 9:02 AM, SocialD said:
If the PFT is truly going back to the squadron, I highly doubt I'll ever wear my AF PT gear again.
Wait....can we discuss this instead of uniforms for a second? Is this seriously being considered?
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On 6/17/2018 at 4:41 PM, 08Dawg said:
.......why......? I'd expect something like that from AD, but the reserves?
Because sadly the reserves has a crop of leaders that came off AD who are still looking to make a lot of rank in the reserves.
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On 5/20/2018 at 2:28 PM, 08Dawg said:
I sure hope they don't go full retard and try and take the bags . We're also going to look retarded wearing coyote boots...
Well in my little reserve world I was just told that we are "required" to wear the OCPs over the tan bags now.....even if the crew wants to wear bags....
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On 6/10/2018 at 9:08 PM, matmacwc said:
These guys are great, definitely award material. I also think it's possible they could be used as an "example", but that's only with my tin-foil hat on.
Well that depends.....are they current on the most up to date Green Dot training?
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On 4/22/2018 at 5:35 PM, hindsight2020 said:
I dunno. It's part of the AvB FY18 AFRC bonus announcement on myPers, under Tier 2. But it's pretty clear it's a bonus contract, not a permanent raise to the 558 SSR tables. Payable at the anniversary of every full year accomplished (no credit for partial years accomplished) and can be agreed between one and whatever years you want, not to exceed 25YAS. Some other provisions in there I didn't care to read. But it's on mypers.
Looked it up this morning and for anyone else wondering......It is an ART bonus of $18k that is separate from the current 25% incentive bonus currently in place. It requires you to be past your UPT commitment and less than 24 YAS. Supposedly the 25% is going away very soon to be replaced with whatever your locality pay is so in my case, I am getting a ~7% cut from what I am making right now (our locality is 17.65% and I am not eligible for the ART bonus due to my UPT commitment)....I'm surprised they limited the ART bonus to guys outside their UPT commitment because my UPT commitment has 0 impact on whether I stay and ART or go airlines where-as another $18k/yr would entice me to stay around more when it's on top of the permanent raise....
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Eh well sounds like it won't be an issue filling slots (sts) but if for some reason there is a push to get a C-17 there let me know and I'll do the homework to see if we could get one in/out of there without making national headlines...
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On 4/21/2018 at 7:26 AM, hindsight2020 said:
AFRC AGR bonus for FY18 is 35K/yr throttable between 1 thru 3 year contracts, no apparent discount for renewal contract versus initial, which is a change from previous years. Also, everybody gets the 35K up to 24 YAS, which was the other big change. ART bonus is 18K/yr with one year minimum to a maximum contract length to 25YAS.
All in all, thanks for the free money Blue, but it's not changing the calculus of those who are intent on getting airline jobs. Once they get the airline job, they'll cash this bonus, but not a day before. Not sure how this changes anything in the AFRC. The TR invol IA are absolutely killing morale and retention down here, fix that instead. There's no pay problem here (well, TRs getting their flight pay still jacked up is a problem), only a QOL one, and its costing them the kitty, just like the regAF.
As to them going to a dedicated career field incentive pay on a year to year float index, to the tune of 6K/mo increase over today's water line? ROFL. You guys crack me up.
Any links/ info on the ART bonus?
Is it separate from the 25% we are getting as a "retention" bonus or is the 18% the permanent raise to the 558 pay tables they have been talking about for 6.69 yrs now?
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On 4/14/2018 at 8:55 AM, HuggyU2 said:
Nothing specified. What are you thinking?
C-17
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Any size limitations?
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13 hours ago, SCRIMP said:
I did hear some good news regarding UPT-H being cancelled....so that is a big win for common sense.
I missed the ball on this one....what's UPT-H again?
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9 hours ago, Duck said:
Until we see massive amounts of planes/pilots going down, the AF will not change. In the world of spreadsheets, a “1” is a “1”, doesn’t matter if one is an IP and one is a brand new UPT grad.
So true man.....small data point but A1 just swiped all of our "open" full time positions and voila are now reporting us from "less than 50% manned" to fully green on full time manning....
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2 hours ago, M2 said:
Rumor is the USAF will be adopting OCPs to replace the ABU this year...
Has anyone heard if they will be completely phasing out the green bag as well? Seems like the tan is already on the way out but hearing both sides for the green...
Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)
in General Discussion
Posted
Here is the verbiage from the recently signed FY23 NDAA:
(c) SPECIAL AVIATION INCENTIVE PAY AND BONUS AUTHORITIES FOR OFFICERS.—Section 334(c)(1) of title 37, United States Code, is amended— (1) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘$1,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$1,500’’; and (2) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘$35,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$75,000’’. (d) SKILL INCENTIVE PAY OR PROFICIENCY BONUS.—Section 353(c)(1)(A) of title 37, United States Code, is amended by striking ‘‘$1,000’’ and inserting ‘‘$1,750’’.