[AFROTC VS Marine PLC Aviation Contract]

On 3/15/2019 at 5:54 PM, ihtfp06 said:

You are obviously overestimating how much “weeding out” goes on at UPT.



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I can confirm. Wouldn’t trust some people with wings as SIC in a 172.

 

on the other hand, some people are shit at taking tests but end up having the hands and attitude.

[2019 Air Force Active Duty UPT Board]

13 hours ago, LiterallyMaverick said:

I'm headed to Laughlin on 15 Oct! Does anyone know if we have to live in the dorms since we're older and already have furnishings and such? I'm not married so I could handle it I guess. 

Also, I know basically nothing about what to bring or where to get that info, for upt, ift, or even mfs. Like are we supposed to wear abus to the physical? Can you guys please help me out with this? Any info is appreciated. 

Go to Laughlin’s website, and there should be a newcomers guide for UPT. It’s pretty dated, but should still be somewhat accurate. At any rate, it should have the SDO extension; give that a call and they’ll help you with what you need

[2019 Air Force Active Duty UPT Board]

On 2/13/2019 at 1:19 PM, fishandbike said:

Hello, so I just graduated, commissioned, got my pilot slot, passed flight physical, got my security clearance and am now waiting to EAD. I got two questions,

One: I am curious if by the time I go to UPT (presumably starting the summer of 2019) will I be able to track F-35/F-22 directly? Or will I still need to track something more common such as F-15 or F-16 first and then transfer down the road? I know it all depends on what is available for my class, but lets assume there are available F-35/22s... would those even come up as options for brand new UPT grads?

Two: n00b question sorry! Do I find out which airframe I fly before or after I am selected to track T38? Like when you finish on the T-6 do they say "Congrats, you are flying the F22! go hop in a T38 now" or do they say "Congrats, you've been assigned fighter, go hop in a T38 and we'll tell you which fighter you get after you are finished with the T38"?

Thanks in advance!

I'd focus on EADing first, if I were in your shoes.

[How much will I see my PCSM go up?]

23 minutes ago, UFTapplicant said:

Is that with no flight hours ?

Nah.  I had about 50 flight hours and a PCSM of 60 ish.  I would have needed a bunch to raise my PCSM just 10 pts, not worth it to me.

With that said, the increase was solely due to AFOQT score, not an increase of flight hours

[How much will I see my PCSM go up?]

I don't know what magic they do to compute PCSM scores, but I raised my AFOQT pilot by 8 points (89-97), which corresponded to an almost 20 pt PCSM jump (mid 80s).  

[First world problems]

19 hours ago, engeguy said:

 

Good to know. What if you applied for a UPT board and instead only got into URT. Would denying that still hurt your chances for applying to UPT again?


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Depends on what the PSDM says, and how bad they're hurting for pilots.

 

Anecdotally, some claim that turning down URT/ABM/CSO made them less competitive for UPT. Personally, I was offered RPA my 2nd time applying and turned it down.  Got picked up my 3rd time for UPT. YMMV

[2019 Air Force Active Duty UPT Board]

1 hour ago, Padre said:

For those going to URT I had some back and forth with AETC today because training affects my current day job.

The date I got was 3 Jan 2020. Yes. You read that correctly.


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You can start posting with the 2020 UFT Board Thread

 

[Joining detachment as a sophmore (3 year ROTC program)]

On 7/16/2018 at 7:59 PM, the g-man said:

You should be just fine on the 3 year program. I know that in the recent past AFROTC has changed the way it works a bit in regards to AFOQT and Enrollment Allocations for Field Training but the nuts and bolts should be the same.

Good news is that the first 2 years of Aerospace Studies classes could be taken at the same time (1 credit hour each) class met 1 time per week for about an hour.

The second 2 years are worth 3 credits each and were 1 hr 2 times a week.

I would guess that your detachment runs in a similar way or else completing the program in 3 years would be impossible.

I too did AFROTC in 3 years after joining late (I actually joined during my 3rd year of college and stretched out my degree in order to finish in 5 total years in order to accommodate the AFROTC requirements).

Agreed.  Not sure how much ROTC has changed, but I was an AS 250 as well and did just fine.  Got a pilot slot with a 2.5 GPA (solely due to CC ranking)
 

With regards to studying the FTM, I'd say not required at this time (again, I went to FT in 2009, so might be dated). FTP (Field Training Prep) will be plenty.  Like all else if you want to go rated, work hard and be a good dude/dudette; The APAS/CC will notice.  Good luck, and Pm if you want more info

[2019 Air Force Active Duty UPT Board]

On 1/10/2019 at 8:29 PM, Doolsmack_Bud said:

Not entirely sure yet, leaning towards no.  If It turns out I got the medical ETP, I might consider taking it on the hope they'll pull RPA trainees to UPT. 

 

If no ETP, then probably not.  I poured my heart out into that package to go fly.  I purposefully did not put in for rated out of USAFA because my medical was waivered for RPA only.  You think that, coupled with me going for a PPL, would clearly demonstrate my intent.  My personal letter said UPT and/or pilot probably a half dozen times or more.  My letter of recommendation was from a prominent fighter pilot that I actually knew fairly well and served under.  I was ranked 1st out of my wing (a prominent wing, as well), and my squadron commander who's signature was on my 215 was a fighter pilot using strong push language.  

 

But nah, give me URT.  Clearly, that's what I am here for.  At least a non-select would have left the door open for next year.  Ironically, the board probably selected me for this because "RPAs are flying, and he's qualified."  But I didn't need an ETP for RPA's...

 

It's very frustrating to have the air force take a dump over my dreams like this.  

 

/salt

It appears the board selected you for RPA because you "didn't need an ETP for RPA's."

[2019 Air Force Active Duty UPT Board]

22 hours ago, Mr.Elephant said:

For reference, I received RIPs roughly a month after notification, and my PCS date was 5 months after selection.  Class start scheduled for ~5.5 weeks after RNLTD.  "Projected training" showed up on the SURF not too long after notification.  You typically don't receive RIPs for training until you actually get to the UPT base, so that's really the only way I know of to get info on what class you're in before you PCS.

Good luck out there everyone, the waiting game is hard I know.

Alternative is to call up the respective STUS trans flight and ask them to look you up, or have a buddy swing by the office and take a picture of the class listings

[2019 Air Force Active Duty UPT Board]

5 hours ago, Rated2014 said:

Yeah, now that I look at it it's just the list of possible A/C and locations, not a list of what's actually dropping; the master T1 list. They've been dropping 3-4 FAIPs per class recently trying to bolster training.

That’s the list of what’s actually dropping...all three bases get the same list, save the base specific FAIP slots/prank slots

 

[Best chances at becoming a fighter pilot]

 

4 hours ago, JGreenbaum said:

Thanks for the tip. Are you familiar with how long flight school takes to become a regional pilot? I know the costs etc but don't know the length of total training. My backup may be to go through the full flight training in college (all 4 years) to obtain the ratings required to go regional. If the ANG falls through I'll already have my ratings and will just need the flight time to join a regional. Plus, the extra ratings may look good on my ANG app hopefully. I have a huge passion for aviation and I couldn't see myself doing any other job.

So I wasn’t in a financial position/have good enough grades to take the most “optimal” route to getting myself set for pilot training. Wasn’t able to start training for my PPL until I started AD, and even then, it was slow. I will say that I shelled out 12K for a PPL over 2.5 years, got picked up for a pilot slot (while on AD), and after UPT, received my instrument, multi-engine, commercial (saved a ton of money by having the AF train me) while having the time of my life flying higher performing planes than I did on the civilian side.

 

bottom line, every situation is different. My honest advice (again not knowing you at all)? If you really want to fly for the military, apply for ROTC/Academy and see where it goes from there. If you don’t get picked up, or the Air Force doesn’t work out, you’ll be 22-23 when you graduate. Plenty of time to work on your ratings to jump towards regionals/airlines, with insurance in the form of a degree available.  UPT isn’t super hard, it’s all the other little things that’ll get you (medical DQ,  a bad flying week, timing, needs of the AF, etc.)

 

Again, I applaud you for thinking about things this early. Like you, I wanted to be a pilot since I could remember, But things came up. I ended up getting wings, but 5 years after my “original” timeline. And you know what? Everything worked out how it was supposed to.  Just continue working hard, keep that same work ethic (e.g. 4.5 GPA) in your “adult” life, and you’ll be fine.

[Best chances at becoming a fighter pilot]

Good on you for trying to plan out your future.  Without knowing you at all, there's no crystal ball that exists that shows what the "best" option for you is to become a fighter pilot.  Finish high school strong, apply/get into good schools, and then come back to ask advice.  Hard to say if USAFA is the best choice if you don't even get in, although if what you say is true about grades/etc. I'm sure you'll have no problem.

And also realize that life happens.  It's a long road to wings, with a ton of obstacles (self-inflicted or life inflicted) along the way.  Have a good plan in place in case the fighter pilot thing doesn't work out.

[UPT prep flying with private instructor]

I was a part of the "what can i do best to prep for UPT," and like everyone else said, if you have ANY skill at time management, you'll have plenty of time to figure it out once you get here.  Enjoy life and enjoy phase 1.  Hang out with your bros and get to know them, because they'll be the ones that get you through UPT (from both a sanity and assistance standpoint).  

 

With that said, if you have money and time to burn, go enjoy flying just for the sake of it.  Go upside down a couple of times to see how you handle it ( I didn't handle it well, and have many a ride in the chair to show for it.) 

[2018 Active Duty UFT Board]

On 2/6/2018 at 11:20 AM, goddard15 said:

Using the PDSMs from previous years this is my hypothesis: the results will be pushed on February 12 and we will find out Wednesday the 14th.

In 2017, the PDSM was published on February 13th, 12 business days after the board closed from 23-26 January. In 2016, it was 11 days from 25-28 January until 12 February. In 2015, it was 18 business days from 17-20 February until 18 March. 

In last year's forum thread there was an update to the portal page on 1 February saying the results would be published on 13 February. 

Also note that last year the PDSM is dated the 13th but the earliest anyone posted about finding out was the 14th so 13 Feb might be more realistic. Last year the moderator of the board said they pushed out the PDSM on Monday the 13th. Some folks found out from their commanders on the 14th. On Thursday the 16th someone posted that the list was public on Mypers and on Friday folks reported receiving a auto generated email from vMPF.

I have no idea if the ETP extension will delay the release.

I found out I got picked up on 13 Feb last year while driving home from work. The rest of the timeline checks, and I had a RIP within 2 weeks for both MFS and  UPT

 

Good luck to all of you that applied

[2018 Active Duty UFT Board]

On 6/30/2017 at 9:49 PM, Toxic said:

I would surely feel more comfortable with the timeline if I was home station but I am deployed until October.  I could start the majority of the things while I am out here but will not have time to get my PPL before the due date.  I also don't know how long it would take to get my official AFOQT scores back and added to my package.  I think you are right though.  I should reassess after I re-take the AFOQT and get some flight time.  Thanks for the help!

I retook mine, and if I recall it was about a 2 week turn around, at most..

 

 

also, pred can provide more insight, but so long as you made the original deadline last year, you had about an extra month and a half to add any changes to your package (I.e. Better PCSM/AFOQT/PPL/etc.) so you might have more time than you think you do. Check the PSDM and confer with the board POCs. If you're on R&R when you get back, might be a good  time to finish the PPL, if you decide to go that route

[2018 Active Duty UFT Board]

• On 6/24/2017 at 1:23 AM, Toxic said:

  Now knowing that we will be required to apply to all crew positions, should I wait to apply until next year?  I want to become an RPA pilot but have a relatively low Pilot AFOQT score (41) and no flight hours.  RPA would be by #1 choice followed by pilot, ABM, CSO.  With my scores being lower I feel I would more than likely get picked up for the non-piloting AFSCs.

  My brain wants me to apply this year, but my gut is telling me to wait so that I can increase my pilot score and get some flight hours.  Additionally, I think last year if you got something you didn't want and declined, than you were ineligible to apply to the board again.  Any advice would be appreciated. 

  Last I checked, there's a ton of time between June and November.  How about you schedule to retake the AFOQT, book some flight lessons, and reassess after you've done both things and have a better idea of where your PCSM is at.  I will say that I met a guy at MFS who put RPA first (also had his PPL), and got it.

As far as spending money, how much is it worth to you?  I shelled out about 4K last year to finish my PPL, and was fortunate to get a slot.  Do I think about that 4K?  Besides bringing it up now, no.  Am I enjoying being at my UPT base, ready to start soon?  You bet your ass.