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9 hours ago, goboldtigers said:

 

 

I'll add my $0.02 to this discussion, as  someone that was confused why I'm an alternate but 2 others from my wing were selected. You can look at my comment history in this thread for more details but short story: I had better scores and numbers, stratted  higher from the wing, and had a Wg/CC sign my letter of rec. I'm an alternate but they were selected. The other 2 from the wing had objectively worse applications in every measurable way. Emphasis on objectively. 

So I emailed the board. I asked about the alternate process and as an after thought at the end of the email, I asked "how I can improve my application for next year's board, specifically anything subjective they noticed". (I didn't complain about the above situation, I knew that wouldn't look good). They replied explaining the board uses an algorithm to help quantify subjective packages. Only 30% of your score comes from PCSM, AFOQT, college GPA, etc. I don't remember what the other 30% and 40% was exactly, but one of them is leadership and experience. They said really good test scores don't mean as much for an otherwise average application. They made sure to tell me my application was above average but this board was very competitive and my chances of being selected next year are good. It helped to read that last bit but still stung haha.

This coincided with the feedback I received from my Gp/CC. The other 2 from the wing are the same AFSC but have been doing it longer than me. So by default, by doing the job longer, they have had more leadership opportunities and experience to present to the board. Also, their scores were decent too. I've had a  bright start to my career, but I'm "young".

Anyways, if I've interpreted all of this feedback correctly, what you've done in your career and how well you communicate it to the board is just as important, if not more important, than every number on the AF215 combined. I definitely know how to improve that for next year. Food for thought. 

Edit: incase it wasn't clear. The things the board probably are looking closely at is the personal letter, letter of recommendation, the 3 bullets from your rater and 3 bullets from your senior rater. Specifically how robust they are. They can tell if it's a bunch of fluff or something meaningful. All of the test scores, PCSM, etc are likely just checking a box for the board. 

Well said boss

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It’s a lot of everything. The person that got a UPT slot with a 34 PCSM was DG from commissioning source, DG at tech school and rated #1 Lt at the wing. So scores aren’t end all be all

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12 minutes ago, dillonberg92 said:

By chance, Is anyone now looking at the guard path to UPT? Heavily considering it, with how difficult it seems to get picked up.

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Yes. But it’s probably just as difficult tbh. I’m willing to put in the work tho. Everyone’s telling me to go guard instead

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Non-select (applied to all): 87 Pilot, 86 PCSM, 12 hours and did the rated prep program. 
 

Had a F15 O-6 Wing/CC LoR, a Dec, and got my masters this year. 
 

I feel that PPL is the only thing missing and maybe rank? Only 4 Lts got picked up. Just an observation. 
 

stoked for those who got picked up. Best of luck!

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50 minutes ago, AlexLM12 said:

Also if anyone is able to get a screenshot of the results, could they post it? Not sure if that would be allowed, but it WILL be publically released soon. Only asking because alot of us still don't have access to the PDSM

I think that's pushing the line since its CUI and this is a public site. but honestly bro, DM me and ill look you up

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Just now, AlexLM12 said:

This does not instill confidence, but I appreciate you sharing so we can all temper our expectations and not be surprised when it seems like we get an unexpected result. There seems to be nothing predictable to how they are selecting. Not that there isn't a system, but it certainly does not seem that methodical

yeah i still haven't heard anything.  But the only thing i can think of in this situation is whole airman?   So sorry man, best of luck if you decline and reapply

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22 minutes ago, FlyingHog said:

My Wg/CC had to contact the MPF but I still haven't been informed because my Gp/CC is in a meeting with the Wg/CC. The exec did tell me they have the results though. Just makes the wait worse.

my wing exec doesn't know where to look.  any help?

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3 hours ago, Saint said:

Sq/cc just notified me, I was selected for UPT!

99 pilot, 98 PCSM.

Hell yeah!!

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8 hours ago, Beans said:

I put all 4. Thought I would at least get something, but unfortunately no. Scores were decent, but no ppl and have only been in the AF for 1 year. Just gonna prep myself for next year

Hey man you got loads of time left. 1st year Lts are rare selects. Reach out to the org box and ask for feedback. 

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35 minutes ago, Elaroh said:

iirc, he had great scores but no ppl.  Maybe it really makes that huge of a difference.  Sorry to hear it Bean.

 

Good luck to those that haven't heard anything yet.

 

Sheeeeshhhh. All confidence is gone now

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4 minutes ago, Beaux said:

Take one for the team my boy! 😂

sent a note to the Wing Exec. we shall see

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25 minutes ago, Beaux said:

Dang I already left. I have to wait the night. But glad it’s out!! Good luck to everyone!

 

We should post stats once we hear word. 

im west coast.  im scared to ask boys....but for the boys. I'll do it

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Random side note. Any one in here do the Rated Prep Program? 

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On 12/30/2022 at 5:18 PM, goboldtigers said:

Not to mention when it is time to pass results, they don't even tell you via email or mail or anything direct. They notify your CoC, when your commander eventually tells you. 
 

I mean, it makes sense the commander should know if he's losing a guy but still...

What will be worse is when one of you guys find out and everyone else is still in the dark…..

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9 minutes ago, nolifepilot said:

 

Ayoooo those numbers are way better than we had expected!!

Did y'alls insider say the total number of applications that they received?

I was given roughly 230.  I think last year was a little less than that, like 200? 

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2 hours ago, Elaroh said:

That's good to hear, but..

Right there with ya brotha.  Best of luck!

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This is what I got from a source:

70 Pilot: 61 UPT, 4 ENJJPT, 5 HTN

20 CSO

20 ABM

10 RPA
 

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On 12/3/2022 at 12:42 PM, Beaux said:

Unfortunately no. They same source who told me there were 40 slots told me the board was able to find more. But everything is speculation until we get official word. 
Welcome to the forum. I was a long time lurker before I became a member to post. 

man looks like a few others also heard this rumor.  Which sucks, because we were being told to expect the same amount as last year (which was 100).  So best of luck to everyone....now we wait.

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On 11/22/2022 at 2:09 PM, Beaux said:

Heard that the board was able to find more slots than originally forecasted but that’s it. No exact numbers.

man "able to find more slots" i really hope that was based off the projected 100 and not this 40 number that's getting tossed around.  Are you able to elaborate any more?

And I didn't know this forum existed, i found it via reddit under the 2021 UFT board thread.