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10 hours ago, KWings06j said:
You can do a change of rater after 120 days of supervision to force an OPR. CC can also write a commanders knowledge letter (MFR) for accomplishments not documented yet. However there should still be sufficient information in past OPR/EPR's, even if not written to AF standards, to create a decent PRF.
Commander's knowledge letter sounds like just the thing. Thanks! Won't be able to CRO the individual because won't have 120 days supervision (or even 120 data in the AF) before the board.
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2 hours ago, viper154 said:
AFSOC trains to a higher standard and handles some mission sets that ACC does less frequently.
That depends on the unit.
2 hours ago, viper154 said:Your update is out of date.
Like I said, I hadn't heard of AFSOC to ACC, now I have, thank you.
2 hours ago, viper154 said:your are not correct
Your sources say one thing, my experience says another.
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20 minutes ago, Guardian said:
So you are advocating for a medal for people who post on social media and isis finds out who they are and puts their name on a list?
Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network ForumsOr OPM gets hacked and details sold.
They wouldn't get medals for being put in danger, they get short notice PCS.
(people shouldn't get medals for being put in danger)
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13 hours ago, Guardian said:
get air medals or even Aerial Achievement Medals for showing up to work 20 days
"(2) The Air Medal may be awarded for sustained meritorious achievement (distinction)
(3) may be awarded for combat or non-combat action in recognition of single acts of valor, heroism, or merit
required achievement to warrant award of the AM is less than that required for the DFC, but must be accomplished with distinction above and beyond that expected of professional airmen.
involving operations that are not routine.
4. Not awarded for sustained operational activities and flights."-------
RPA crews don't get air medals yet, even though they achieve similar effects as manned aircraft.
The crews that did overwatch on the bin Laden raid, took out AQ and daesh leadership, provided overwatch for hostage rescues, SCAR-C, CAS during TICs, or CSAR likely didn't get jack.
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13 hours ago, Inertia17 said:
You seem to be neglecting the mentions of Heroism and Valor.
You seem to be neglecting the mentions of meritorious achievement.
Air Medal- Heroism or meritorious ACHIEVEMENT- required ACHIEVEMENT to warrant award- Both heroism and ACHIEVEMENT must be entirely distinctive- distinguish themselves by valorous, heroic or meritorious ACHIEVEMENT- distinguishes himself or herself by meritorious ACHIEVEMENT- may be awarded for sustained meritorious ACHIEVEMENT- awarded for combat or non-combat action in recognition of single acts of valor, heroism, or MERITAerial Achievement MedalSustained meritorious ACHIEVEMENT13 hours ago, Inertia17 said:believe you are in danger in your air conditioned GCS at 1G and 0 kts
Hella danger when you, your coworkers, and family are named in terrorist hit lists.
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28 minutes ago, viper154 said:
Putting your ass on the line should be required to get that medal
People don't (or shouldn't) get awards for just "putting their ass on the line". Hazard duty and imminent danger pay covers that.
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24 minutes ago, viper154 said:
As a manned guy in RPAs I agree the AAM or AM should not be awarded to RPA guys. Putting your ass on the line should be required to get that medal. I think a separate medal should be created. RPAs are a interesting case, little risk but one individual can have more impacts on the battlefield in one night than one could ever imagine. And that deserves some sort of recognition.
The Distinguished Warfare Medal attempted just that. The DWM was effectively an air medal for space, cyber, missiles, and remote.
As you said, there isn't a recognition for the meritorious achievements and effects that RPAs can bring to the battlefield.
The AAM is an odd award for RPA crews. Crews need to do very little to earn them. At least the enlisted could max their ribbon & award points for promotion.
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The unit is picking up a Navy O-3, now AF O-3, with prior Army enlisted time.
AF major board this year.
No AF OPR or training reports, won't have either before board.
Their options?
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2 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:
Said no real pilot ever
By all means enlighten us on what a REAL pilot is.
XXXX+ hours PIC?
Some qualification in a MWS?
Some number of Air Medals?
Being shot at?
Killing people?
Medevac?
Human remains transport?
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50 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:
Note the part where it says "participate in aerial flight." While an RPA operator provides a significant service in the combat zone, they are not participating in aerial flight, nor are they in harms way.
The RPA is flying. The RPA crew is directly participating in the RPA operation, therefore the RPA crew is participating in aerial flight.
The Aerial Achievement Medal is awarded for aerial flight. RPA crews get the AAM, therefore RPA crews are participating in aerial flight.
Being "in harms way" is not a factor for the AAM or AM.
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41 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:
From Wikipedia:
"Award of the Air Medal is primarily intended to recognize those personnel who are on current crew member or non-crew member flying status which requires them to participate in aerial flight on a regular and frequent basis in the performance of their primary duties."
Note the part where it says "participate in aerial flight." While an RPA operator provides a significant service in the combat zone, they are not participating in aerial flight, nor are they in harms way.
Wikipedia, really? Elevate your game.
AFI 36-2803 Air Force Military Awards and Decorations Program
http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a1/publication/afi36-2803/afi36-2803.pdf#page103
Table 3.11 Air Medal
1. Heroism or meritorious achievement while participating in aerial flight.
2. The required achievement to warrant award of the AM is less than that required for the DFC, but must be accomplished with distinction above and beyond that expected of professional airmen.
3. Both heroism and achievement must be entirely distinctive, involving operations that are not routine.
4. Not awarded for sustained operational activities and flights.Table 3.12 Aerial Achievement Medal
1. Sustained meritorious achievement while participating in aerial flight.
2. MAJCOMs, FOAs, DRUs will identify the missions and positions to qualify for the award.
3. Not awarded for single event flights.
4. Effective 9 January 2003, the SECAF approved the award of the AAM to include operators of remotely piloted aircraft (RPAs) (to include onboard systems), or other weapons systems as determined by the SECAF.DOD MANUAL 1348.33, VOLUME 3
MANUAL OF MILITARY DECORATIONS AND AWARDS: DOD- WIDE PERSONAL PERFORMANCE AND VALOR DECORATIONShttp://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134833v3_dodm_2016.pdf
3.9. AIR MEDAL.
a. Introduction. The Air Medal is awarded to recognize individuals who distinguish themselves by valorous, heroic or meritorious achievement while participating in aerial flight.any person who, while serving in any capacity with the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, or Air Force, subsequent to September 8, 1939, distinguishes himself or herself by meritorious achievement while participating in an aerial flight.
(2) The Air Medal may be awarded for sustained meritorious achievement (distinction) in the performance of duties involving aerial flight.(3) The Air Medal may be awarded for combat or non-combat action in recognition of single acts of valor, heroism, or merit while participating in an aerial flight.
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To throw some updates out there.
AFSOC RPA bases are Canon AFB in Clovis NM and Hurlburt in Florida.
The Canon folks are varying from 8-12 hour days.
AFSOC means a different type of secrecy, software, hardware, and tactics.
ACC can go to AFSOC, but I haven't heard of AFSOC to ACC.
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Glad to see another RPA Q&A thread.
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On 6/7/2017 at 7:57 PM, BashiChuni said:
And they absolutely should NOT get air medals.
Why not?
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On 12/11/2016 at 10:31 PM, guineapigfury said:
Both. Not my problem anymore, started my contractor job last week!
That's a pretty bad thing to say about the other flying communities. For a long time the majority of RPA operators were from manned aircraft. RPA community was shaped by other communities.
The shift to attack squadrons and combat time haven't done much to improve the quality of life. I haven't heard of an RPA operator (enlisted or officer) getting Air Medals yet.
As others have said, the RPA enterprise needs more. More manning, more bases, more wings, more groups, more squadrons; at least to the level of manned aircraft.
AFSOC RPA ?
in Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA/RPV/UAS/UAV)
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I doubt you'd be able to find many active duty with as much experience as I. If you want to continue the epeen you can pm me.
Not shit talking, just pointing out that different units train to different standards in different tactics in different mission sets due to different AORs etc. Heck, unit mission sets change over time.
Correct. But not all train to the same standards in similar mission sets.