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Any Prior E Majors out there from the 2004/2005 year groups? Or friends of?
What did AFPC offer you when passed over for Lt Col x 2 & at 20 yes complete?
I’m trying to predict what type of continuation (or lack of) I’ll be offered soon. If it’s only 20 TAFMS (Total Active Fed Military Service) I’ll be retiring since I’m already there.
If it’s 20 or 24 commissioned, I’ll have a big decision to make.
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12 minutes ago, Nodeskjobs said:
Yeah I believe you’re right. I haven’t looked in the regs in a bit. I wouldn’t accept continuation if offered.
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On 5/5/2021 at 8:42 AM, Nodeskjobs said:
Thanks for posting this for me to see. But it brings up some questions. My situation: Prior-E, 21 years of military service, over 10 years commissioned, ADSC 30 Apr 2023
I signed the 3 year bonus last year, knowing I have a high probability of being passed over. My first board, met this March and expecting 2nd non select next March-May’ish. Assuming the AF doesn’t go to a 5 year eligibility window next year, would I be able to keep the bonus payment that pays next April?
since I’m already over 20, there is no “offering of continuation”, and would keep the payment since I’m not declining continuation. Does that passed the sanity check?
TIA
Can’t they offer you continuation to 24 yrs commissioned? That’s the High Year Tenure & since you are prior E, that could be a long time. I’m at 20 total (15Off + 5Enl) & I’m trying to figure out what they will offer. Probably 20 total, then I’ll say I’m already there, then I’ll wait 6 months for them to screw it up & offer me 20 again.
24 years commissioned would be another 9 years for me. No thanks.
Also, I’m pretty sure they are going to recoup the unused portion of the bonus. Ex: get $30k on July 1, retire on Jan 1, half the year=recoup half the money.
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“Assuming the AF doesn’t go to a 5 year eligibility window next year”
Did it go to a 5 year?
How does this change continuation that is in the AFI in order to comply with 10 USC 632?
Is the AF no longer offering continuation? You are just automatically still in? Or do promo boards just no longer see that you didn’t make it x2, that way you have a better chance the third time?
I’m a prior E Major at 20, about to get passed over for the second time. I assume they will offer me continuation, that I can decline (if desired) and be retired NLT the 1st day of the 7th month after the board released. This would break my PCS ADSC.
Sorry about the font size, my exec skills are weak.
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On 9/10/2020 at 11:34 PM, HuggyU2 said:
It worked for me quite well.
In Oct 2009, I three-day-opted a non-flying remote to Iraq. I had 22.5 years of service, was a U-2 interview pilot, and evaluator in both the U-2 and T-38. I didn't want to retire.
The three-day opt required me to retire 1 May 2010. I was determined to defeat the threat. I was working a number of angles, but nothing was panning out. By early 2010, I hadn't found a solution, but I did figure out that I could request a 6-month extension to my retirement date if my Wing CC wrote a letter asking for it. At the time, the Beale Wing CC was a 1-star. I presented my case that extending me 6 months was in the best interest of the 9th Wing and the Wing CC agreed. AFPC isn't going to tell a 1-star to pound sand: I got the extension.
Around that time, AFPC announced the VRRAD. In my first phone call with the VRRAD person at AFPC, I explained that I was still on active duty.
"Will you be retired before 31 December 2010?"
"Yes, I will be."
"Then you are eligible for the VRRAD."
Basically, one office in AFPC was requiring me to retire... and another office in AFPC was allowing me to return to active duty as a retiree. I never told the two offices about each other, and figured it was best if they didn't know my plan. My VRRAD got approved.
So, on Friday, 29 Oct, I had a short ceremony in the bar and retired. The following week, I came back to Beale, to my old desk, which I obviously didn't vacate... turned in my week-old retiree ID card... went through in-processing with a room full of 18 year olds (at least I got a verbal waiver from the Vice to skip the Right Start briefings). I even submitted a travel voucher for my 33-mile drive from home to Beale AFB for my first day back on active duty.
In 2013, after 3 years, the VRRAD was coming to an end... but I asked the Wing CC to write me a letter requesting a 1-year extension. He did, and I got it.
Finally... I retired 1 Nov 2014. It was my third set of retirement orders, and the second time I actually retired.
This is inspiring. Thanks.
That settles it...retire ASAP, apply airlines (particularly Cargo) & for VRRAD as a back up.
-Caveman
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On 5/24/2020 at 10:33 AM, Tank said:
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All are being offered staff...Any updates on VRRAD slots or experiences?
I’m on active duty (current heavy IP) with over 19 years in....Airlines are not looking promising.
I can’t just hang out on active & hope the AF doesn’t hammer me (2.5 years deployed Mideast, but no 365).
I was thinking I’d retire, & as soon as the retire orders are produced, apply for VRRAD to do the exact same flying job I’m already doing.
Possible?
Caveman
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On 2/6/2018 at 6:45 PM, BADFNZ said:
There's really no benefit to Big Blue promoting you to Lt Col in this instance. You're already locked in for 20 and you're not going to be a CC, so why would they voluntarily give you more money? This just sounds like classic AF carrot dangling.
I don't understand how the big blue can seriously lock folks in for 20 as Majors. Title 10 law states you will be discharged if you fail to make rank, unless offered continuation, which the member can decline. AFI also reflects this (but don't expect MPF to explain this to you).
10 U.S. Code § 632 - Effect of failure of selection for promotion:
"each officer of the Air Force, on the active-duty list who holds the grade of major, who has failed of selection for promotion to the next higher grade for the second time and whose name is not on a list of officers recommended for promotion to the next higher grade shall be discharged".
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Enlisted Pilots? We already have a program where motivated E's can become pilots, it's called OTS. It works too. I know because I'm one of them.
If an E thinks going to college while working is too tough....then pilot training will be impossible.
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5 hours ago, ImNotARobot said:
Air Force Requests 4K More Airmen, 46 F-35s, No Bonus Changes - Military.com
https://apple.news/AJeUhSGVVT82uTcYESpGrVANo bonus changes...why would I expect anything different. With every passing action, AF leadership shows me EXACTLY how it continues to value pilots.
And so do the airlines.
I don't get it. Rand study says $60k needed, AF asks for $48k, NDAA authorizes $35, but AF decides on $25k?Is this the final answer?
I'm glad the passed over dudes have the option to stay in. Can't expect personnel staff to follow personnel memos.
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5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:
Two guys I know had about a month shy of 15 years when notified but will have more than 15 years when forced out.
I thought the days of blatantly screwing people out of a retirement were over (due to pilot shortage).
Guess not.
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5 hours ago, Guardian said:
Tell that to my buddy who was passed over major and told yesterday he wasn't selected for continuation.
Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network ForumsHow many years did he have in?
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5 hours ago, Steve C said:
Case 1 - Yes
Case 2 - No
Correct me if I'm wrong; but if you get passed over twice, you have to be out in 6 months, unless in sanctuary or offered continuation (which you can decline). You have 2 months to decline & then you revert to being out in 6 months or forced retire at 20 (if in sanctuary).
These are mandatory separation dates are spelled out in US Code Title 10 & AFI reflects it.
Manditory Sep dates overrules the bonus commitment, PCS & requal commitments.
It's like an involuntary discharge.
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27 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said:
Maybe if they'd actually get off their asses and offer a bonus program, this thread could stay on topic.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk^^ THIS
What is the new bonus policy & when will it be released? All talk, no action.
If pilots used bureaucracy/lack of support as an excuse, planes would never get off the ground. Why can't they get anything done in a timely manner?
Maybe they need 5 more working groups to discuss the meeting schedule, approved acronym list & appropriate letterhead.
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Any word on FY17 bonus timeline?
Considering Congressional budget issues, AF only takes 1/2 the blame for being 8 months into the FY w/ no policy.
$35k was in the NDAA, but I've never seen anything official from the AF. My UPT ADSC is almost up, I'm eligible to start outprocessing this summer. WTF
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https://www.stripes.com/air-force-chief-seeks-to-lower-commercial-flight-hour-requirement-1.452920
CSAF taking the side of minimum wage paying regionals to fight 1500 hour rule.
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sesquipedalian prose? WTF does that mean.
That's why I'm not worthy of a bigger bonus.
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"In keeping with the Air Force's current practice of offering pilots anywhere from $10,000 to $25,000 for every year they extend their contracts, not every pilot will get the maximum possible bonus proposed in the defense authorization bill. In the joint explanatory statement accompanying the bill, lawmakers said that Goldfein told them the bonus will be tailored by platform, based on the Air Force's requirements".
https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/ndaa-aviator-retention-pay
The discussion of heavy drivers receiving a $48k to $60k a year bonus is dead. I believe $35k is unlikely based on the above statement.
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"This is not for all pilots," said Stefanek, explaining that some years there's a need for more mobility pilots or more fighter pilots."
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/19/air-force-paying-huge-retention-bonuses-to-fighter-pilots.html
Between a likely continued resolution, emphasis on acquisitions & the above statement, I'd say it's not a certainty that heavy drivers will see an increase in our bonus.
Captain passed over for Major, looking for advice.
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Thanks! Good to know I might have the option to stay in.