[C-17 4-engine flameout/SIB/FEB questions in here]

My point was if I was guaranteed a safe landing again, I wouldn't do anything different. If I had turned the fuel switches off, would the engines had relit in time? If we had gone into holding to sort shit out, would 1 & 4 eventually catch fire? No one knows. We were lucky...if you want to test your theories (not in a sim), have at it.

Do I recommend this COA for the next guy? Probably not.

That still doesn't answer my post, and you still don't grasp the fact that what you did was procedurally incorrect, and, if not for dumb luck, could have possibly killed everyone on that plane. And I wouldn't want any crewmember, little less a newer one trying to learn something, reading what you're writing here and coming away with the perception that "if I don't think I should do it, then I can skip a checklist item." If you had run the checklists like you were supposed to, I wouldn't have any gripe either way.

You say if you were guaranteed a safe landing again, you'd do everything the same. Problem is, you'll never be guaranteed that, and the next guy that flies into a thunderstorm and then loses all four engines (hopefully never again...) might not be as lucky as you if they have your same "sixth sense" about the engines. They might, however, have a better chance, according to those that built the plane, if they follow the checklist. That's what it's there for. At a minimum, they would have done everything the manufacturer said they needed to do to try to save the jet.

So I'll ask directly, what's the point of this thread if you don't want to talk about learning points and things you could have done better?

[C-17 4-engine flameout/SIB/FEB questions in here]

It sucks this happened to you guys and I would never wish what happened to you on my worst enemy, but three years later this is your take away from what happened? You probably don't realize it but hundreds of young co-pilots read this forum. You really still think the appropriate action after a four-engine flameout is to run zero checklists and pray the guy the in the other seat can maintain control of the plane? There was NOTHING you could have done to improve the outcome of the situation besides put the gear and flaps down? Good on you for starting this thread, but coming in with the attitude that you did nothing wrong is clearly erroneous.

For the record, I do think it was a huge foul for the AMC/CC to overturn the findings/recommendation of your FEB.

"2" on all this.

It's distressing to hear you say that there wasn't ANYTHING you'd do differently, when clearly you made errors. Not sure how your handful of hours of experience led you to think it was a good idea to disregard the checklist procedures, but to say that you wouldn't at least go back and run the checklists as written leads me to believe you haven't learned anything from this. From there, I question why you would even make this thread to begin with.

[?s on ADSC (Active Duty Service Commitment)]

C-17 V1 is very similar to the KC-10, though it doesn't give you/the squadron an option of an FTU requal:

2.9.2.1.3. Unqualified C-17 pilots (up to 39 months at the end of a non-flying assignment or 48 months at the end of any active flying assignment) will complete the ATS local Aircraft Commander or Instructor Pilot Requalification (TX-3) course in-unit and a flight evaluation. (Note: A waiver is not required for this in-unit requalification).

So, like others have said, you should be good to go as long as you don't bust the 48 month mark.

[Tuition Assistance - Am I getting screwed?]

Anyone ever had to drop a class past the add/drop date that was paid for with TA?

My orders were bumped up for IFF and now I need to drop my masters class before I start. The school is telling me that if do, the AF will not be reimbursed for my TA…which means I’ll have to pay the AF back the money.

Is there any TA exception for getting orders and having to drop a class? I checked AFI 36-2306 and didn’t find anything there.

I had to drop a class past the last day to drop due to an extended TDY that dropped down. At the end of the semester, the education office sent me an AF form, can't remember the specific number, that basically said I was responsible for reimbursing them the cost of the TA due to the withdrawal. On the back, it had a couple options for me to choose from and sign, among which were: I agree to pay the amount above in full; I wish to seek a waiver to this TA reimbursement due to... and then it had a number of reasons to select, one of which was TDY. So I checked the waiver due to tdy box, had to get it signed by my immediate supervisor, and turned it back to the edu office. It took a few months to review (at my former base it took the chief of the education flight, apparently at others (like my current) it can just be whoever runs the TA program), but they approved the waiver. Hope the info helps...