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Well good for him if he’s able to pull that off. I’d be excited yet terrified to work for an airline that allowed me to drop my schedule then paid me premium to pick up a different schedule. That can’t be a viable business model, but hopefully it works out.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_airlines_of_the_United_States
The United States Department of Transportation defines a major carrier or major airline carrier as a U.S.-based airlinethat posts more than $1 billion in revenue during a fiscal year, grouped accordingly as "Group III".
By those definitions JB/Spirit/frontier/allegiant are all “major airlines.” Not to be confused with legacy airlines, ie those existing prior to de-regulation (the big 3, Alaska, Hawaiian). SWA is an exception, as it existed before deregulation, but isn’t considered a legacy carrier.
Then there’s the terms flag carrier, LCC/ULCC, full service carriers, etc. that further confuse people. And then there are some people just consider the big 3 the “majors” because reasons.
Back to the OP’s post, I have a buddy at frontier who was split between 2nd and 3rd year FO pay this year. I just saw his pay stub thru 10/31, and he’s at $198,500 gross so far this year (not including his 401k DC). He lives in DEN, picks up a decent amount of premium, has averaged 12-13 days off a month, 7 nights away a month (he usually flies day turns), and will most likely gross $250k by year’s end, plus over $30k in 401k.
If you look at frontier’s fleet/order book, they will have some serious seniority list percentage growth with associated fast upgrades and movement over the next 5-7 years. Their contract isn’t great, their product isn’t great, their clientele isn’t great, their route network isn’t great, but I wouldn’t knock a career there too hard. They will upgrade fast and won’t be stuck flying a guppy their whole career like SWA dudes (who will also be pulling gear for a long time). Different strokes for different folks. I never applied to spirit or frontier, but if I lived in one of their domiciles I wouldn’t be opposed to working there. Ditto for allegiant. I wish I could do day turns and be home every night like them. Living out of a suitcase blows (some overnights are fun, but there’s a reason day turns go senior).
So he’s gotten 170+ credit hours per month, every month this year? And that assumes third-year pay. You say you saw it with your own eyes or I would absolutely not believe it. As it stands I only pretty much don’t believe that he could credit that much in an average month AND have 12-13 days off. In a 30-day bid period with 12 days off, that’s 9.5 hours of credit per day every day that he’s at work. Tough to do over the course of 10 months IMO.
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There was also this guy:
As a former AF dude, he milked other rated guys out of checkride fees at $300 a pop. Thankfully, nobody had to do a recheck.
He didn't "milk" rated guys. As the article states, the word got out that $300 was the going rate. Guys were happy to pay it and he was happy to accept. If you didn't pay him, you still got your ticket. No one wanted to be the first person to test that technique, for fear he might stop doing the checkrides. When I flew with him, I didn't "tip" him until I already had my temp in hand, so the fee wasn't a requirement.
You mean other than Harry Bishop a couple years ago? He's now in prison (what a joke) but nobody had their licenses revoked as far as I know.
He got sentenced to 366 days in 2012, so I don't think he's still behind bars.
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Not sure why any of the applications needed 60 days of additional scrutiny...
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FAA type ratings don't expire, you just go non-current.
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10 months TA ADSC waived
I don't think that's waived, I think it'll come out of your check on a pro rata basis. BUT WHO CARES?
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Approved. '06 11M. ~3 yrs. UPT ADSC. Congrats to all. I guess I need to get started on that Truckmaster Driving School app.
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So the Air Force doesn't have the cash to cut payroll? "We won't not have the money to not pay you until next year." Got it.
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No one heard anything today?
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Didn't the original message say that it was not first come, first serve?
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Yes, with the caveat that there would be monthly batch processing and that eligible year groups/AFSCs would be closed out as the batches were processed, so you were encouraged to apply early. That statement implied that earlier was better if you hoped to be approved. That changed to the "not first come, first served" with no caveats that we have now.
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I do worry for the guys who think PC will be available to them after VSP though as the matrix will probably turn red very fast.
This a catch-22. If several applicants get their VSP denied to try to encourage Palace Chase applications, the matrix won't go red early. If the matrix goes red early, then a lot of VSP applications are being approved. I definitely would've gone the Palace Chase route had they said that they would definitely give preference to that over VSP. As it was, I would've had to pull my VSP application to apply for Palace Chase, and that didn't seem like a wise move given the fact that AFPC has been consistently opaque about the selection process. Now, almost three months after my app, they say that order of application has no bearing on selection, but this way I at least have a shot at both. It's no wonder the AFPC patch is a guy shooting himself in the head.
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New VSP PSDM posted on mypers date 11 Apr. Officially not processing applications until after 1 May.
"Applications, including those not yet processed and adjudicated, will be processed after the application window closes on 1 May."
How can I be furious and at the same time not at all surprised?
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I'd like to see the look on the AFPC Retirement and Separations Branch Chief if this is true. If anyone wants more info on my source, PM please.
We all saw the same guidance, but I've asked around at the base in question and nobody in the Sq seems to know who it is...
If it's not a person reporting approval for themselves, I assume the approval hasn't happened. Still waiting for the first person with an ADSC waiver to say they themselves have been approved.
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Apparently you missed the C-17 IP last week who had 5 years of his ADSC waived.
The waiver authority is "up to 6 years off of UPT ADSC."
Someone heard he got approved. I didn't hear him say he got approved, nor did I hear this most recent guy say he got approved.
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We had an 05 11M approved for VSP today. 3 years ADSC left. Applied late for VSP and never had the initial round of denials
How late? Any other ADSCs?
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I'm 2008 65F (Finance) just got disapproval because my AFSC and Yr Group had too many applications.
I'll be f**cking up your pay and providing terrible customer service for the foreseeable future.
My year group and AFSC originally was letting 8/32 people out, they switched it to 5 after they received all the applications. That's like telling Wisconsin they can't play white players or shoot 3s after tip-off.
Thanks for all the info. Deuces
It's good to hear that you won't let this setback keep you from providing the level of support we've come to expect from finance.
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AFPC really needs to get their PA folks ahead of this. They should come clean with the mistake publicly, immediately outline the remedy (let them go), and explain how they will prevent this mistake in the future.
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I took a PCS instead of applying for VSP (although I really wanted to). I was afraid that I would lose my PCS while I awaited a decision. According to 14-08, I basically forfeited my eligibility. But now with the waiver release it says they will waive up to 2 years for PCS which is obviously what I incurred. So...I'm trying to figure out if I'm eligible here at my new duty station based on these 2 somewhat conflicting guidelines. Anyone have any ideas on this?
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You don't want it bad enough...
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Nope. Here's a copy of the email:
"Gents,
Col ### attended a VTC today where it was announced that the AF is going to waive 550 pilot/flying ADSCs for VSP. There were no details on how many to which year groups, airframes, etc.
BL - if you were still considering VSP but gave up on it when you heard they weren't going to waive any formal flying training ADSCs, the opportunity is again available. Please come see me if you are considering it.
LtCol XXXX
Commander, ###"
So it's a sweepstakes now? Are they VSPing 550 and still RIFing later? How are they going to pick the lucky 550?
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I'm responding on my phone and don't know how to do all the fancy stuff on here. I'll inject my comments in the quote starting and ending with a colon.
TL;DR
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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw UPT ADSC waivers pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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Spot on, Warrior. Didn't want to mention anything in the hopes that the rumors would dissuade a few applicants...
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Keep in mind the VSP mandatory separation date is NLT 29 Sep with any terminal leave to be completed by that date. I know the window is open until 1 May, but the majority if us who submitted right out of the gate probably did so for 2 reasons - to have a better shot at approval and to have more time to get our shit together. Is it too much to ask for our leadership to just do a few things correctly when people's lives are at stake? You know, the same thing we do every day and would be crucified if we failed even once.
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I have heard of a continued Nav or two approved, but haven't heard of any pilots approved for TERA although I'm sure there are a few out there. I know the whole first batch of guys who applied when the window opened were denied because the Retirements office at AFPC didn't even know that Continued types were eligible... geniuses. I know another example of a pilot (not continued) who was just denied TERA with 19+ yrs because he had 1 month left on an ADSC for training. If they won't approve TERA for a pilot with over 19 yrs due to 1 month left on an ADSC I have no idea who they are willing to let go. I guess they don't really save anything by letting someone retire at 19 yrs and 9 months, but that one seems like a no-brainer. Anyone else hear of any weird cases like this one?
Why would someone apply for reduced retirement with a year to go? What bad deal could possibly come down between now and then?
Federal Divorce Law
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I realize this is a non-answer, but if his attorney hasn’t already answered this question, my advice would be to retain an attorney who would have already answered this question.