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18 hours ago, FourFans130 said:
Unfortunately, it all depends on what the current flavor of the week. It could be that all the WG/CC's decided to go with "Ready for command now!" and one outlier went with "Sq/CC next" and the board decides to weigh at it different. It's opaque and impossible to read the middle of the pack unless you actually sit in the board.
So, this makes me wonder. Does everyone that gets promoted to LtCol get a command push (whatever the flavor)? Future commanders are the exception to the pack (at least in reality) so not everyone should get a command push. Yes, party line says the AF promotes based on potential but few will actually command. Any old heads that can weigh on this?
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Ok douchebag, I’m not trying to be cool. I entered this AF in the late 90s and by “operator” I meant pilot or operations vice pencil pusher. Punch yourself.
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False info about never playing the game from me. I did the whole masters thing for the majors board back then and did ACSC (now for nothing)
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Yup. my push mentions nothing of commanding. Wonder why we play these games though when there's the "command track" and other BS nonsense and operators on the other hand. Why wait until now when I was never on the command track to tell me I'm not on the command track?
Again, I am good and not bitter at all. Dent to the ego but I knew where I stood as a captain, let alone at this board. I've always been an operator and have never played "the game" so this is no surprise for me.
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Thanks for that. I'm good, I knew how it would play out even though I reserved a small amount of hope that someone would value my flying creds/and even non flying leadership stuff over queep. But, it is what it is.
I would be appalled if you're not promoted from what you've shared - completely sucks you have to stress about it until they announce results............I just can't see how you won't be promoted from that info tho
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On 5/15/2018 at 11:45 AM, ThreeHoler said:
The funny thing about the whole deal? I’ve impacted more pilots than pretty much most O-5 Sq/CCs and O-6 OG/CCs or Wg/CCs...and I’ll still wind up flying for some airline just like they will.
On 5/15/2018 at 4:00 PM, FourFans130 said:More people need to realize this earlier in the career path.
Chess, not checkers.
I just got my IPZ LtCol PRF with the P checked and weak DP push line. I didn't even know what a weak push line looked like (hence my first visit to baseops in years) so thanks to those who shared that info.
ThreeHoler and FourFans are spot on here, at least the way I see it.
I just wonder when big blue will stop pretending with all of this - we need pilots but we're still passing dudes over because they were pilots. I am not bitter, seriously- I have had my chess game going for a long time. highly recommend that to future operators!
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I get that, but what do the O-6s think?
Who cares? The whole point of the topic was to tell the O6s what we think.
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Every spring and early summer, AU hosts mandatory training for all incoming Group Commanders. Many senior leaders and staff members speak to the class about leadership and current AF issues. The class has all AFSCs together for the first week, then they split ops and support. Each class has a senior mentor during the first week. If you had the opportunity to give incoming group commanders advice, what would you say? Your words may be projected on the wall at Maxwell. Seriously, I've already got the wear sunscreen speech.
Your job is to empower your subordinates so they can figure out how to train and equip the troops as best as they can. Everything else is queep.
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Oh, what will my assessment be? I'm a poopyhead?
How do you know so much about Easy Bake ovens, anyway? I played with walkie talkies and toy guns when I was a kid.
ok, ok, I'm done
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Easy Bake,
When you return to this thread please bring all of us some treats from your easy bake oven.
For your SA, electricity powers the light bulb in your oven which actually helps to bake the goodies.
I know your peers told you a short blue bus would pick you up from the dorms and transport you to the training squadron for your first day of UPT. If you are still wondering why that little bus never showed up it's because you didn't wait long enough.
My daddy can kick your daddy's butt! Go back to bed, young man before your parents get angry you were on the internet past bedtime.
Sorry everyone, couldn't resist.
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They haven't deleted Slick's account yet? Surprising.
My guess is the CGOC and (now JCGOC) have issued orders to their pledges (aka Slick) which require them to go on BODN and troll. Just sayin'
I was told there was a by name request for you to become the flight lead of the Little Debbie snack cake section in your squadron. Since you couldn't hack loading paper in the printer and kept getting that notorious "PC Load Letter" light they had to move you to something more suitable to your mission set.
High schooler........if that.
edit: grammer
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Baseops,
I'll be attending UPT in May. I'm a very inexperienced private pilot with just around 100 hours (I'm a teacher so I currently don't have the $ to fly regularly). I was wondering if anybody has any online/study guides/video recommendations for general instrument lessons? I've been told that military instrument flying is 'somewhat' different than civilian but I would just like to have a decent base of how it all works.
I've already used some of the helpful info about the T-6 info given on baseops.(Thank you for those that shared those items)
Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
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Love the pic you chose. Well done.
Yep, everyone's right. The AF will teach you what you need to know. I will say, however, that basic abilities go a long way. I flew the mighty tweet (it had very old school instruments)....and I learned a lot. The C-17 is glass (as most airframes are nowadays) but I feel comfortable flying old school, too (it does have standby steam gauges). I've noticed over the years the T-6 types rely on the automation/glass and don't understand the steam.
IMHO, if you're trying to be a good instrument pilot (good on you), I'd go fly some approaches in a 172 under the foggles. I mean this sincerely. Yeah, the panel won't apply directly to a T-6 or a C-17 or whatever, but the basic skills definitely do.
Edit: do approaches in a 172 that has steam gauges. Almost forgot that some current 172 panels make what you'll see in the AF look archaic.
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Just heard the "deciding O-6" in our Agency tell us that he will be selecting those who attend SOS in residence for his upcoming board based on completion of SOS in correspondence (whatever, standard) and masters completion!!! Not for O-4 or O-5 promotion boards of even IDE... masters completion to go to effing SOS!!!!! For an O-5 board; sure... O-4 board; maybe... to go to SOS?!? Why are these incredible morons who now sit in what used to be leadership positions so hell bent on picking future Colonels and Generals when they are just LT's and young Capts?!? I give up...
I thought one of the main reasons for the "new" SOS was to eliminate the need to do SOS online and then go do it again (also to get rid of ASBC). Additionally, I thought they were going to pretty much send everyone. Sounds like it is more of the same just a longer SOS. Nice....
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Comprehension is the key to learning! So you should just lie to a ratee? Honest feedback versus a straight up liar. If you choose to be dishonest with your people I hope the same thing happens to you. Not everyone from our base goes to SOS in residence. My previous CC never guaranteed anyone a slot to SOS. I remember him saying he never went in residence and he said the names of a few SQ/CC's on the base who hadn't either.
You must have not read the post from Liquid about referral OPRs either.
No, I'm not the expert on PRFs. But I'm trying to be so I can ensure people are well taken care of in that regard.
OK. Quick lesson and this is over because no one wants to see this crap on this board.
-SOS is not some elite program you attended, get over it
-It is not that difficult to get "selected" to go there
-Just about everyone on BODN (except SNAPS obviously) has been there and done that
-If you want to be a great leader that you seem to want to portray, you should find a way to motivate people that don't have SOS in their future to make it. A real leader will find a way to inspire someone to achieve things. Real leaders don't sit and judge people, especially against one's self -- certainly not using SOS as criteria........SOS? YGBFSM!
-You are inspired from some dude named Liquid on this board. Maybe he/she is for real, maybe not....but if that's where you are drawing your inspiration from then I don't even know what to say
When I said you are what's wrong with the AF, here's what I am thinking: It seems you think that leadership is about "mentoring" people to be like you -- someone who really thinks that SOS is the end all be all (as an example). Since you went you are the shit and no one can measure up to you. Get over it, I don't care what your commanders say, almost everyone goes to SOS. You aren't special and you need to drink a cup of STFU and listen. OUT.
To other posters: You are right, enuf on SOS. Next beer's on me.
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My CC does not believe in the one mistake Air Force mentality and neither do I. I told someone who showed up with a blemish that I didn't want to know what happened. New base, equates to a brand new start in my eyes. Additionally, I told the individual you have to show leadership you have moved beyond whatever happened and continue to strive as an officer and leader. If you become a "toxic" individual after your ordeal and unreliable, you can expect leadership to maintain a negative mindset about you.
I had to tell someone months ago that SOS may not be in their future. When supervisors annotate something in an OPR and a board or the OG/CC sees those remarks it's an easy kill for not going in residence. I told the individual you have to be "seen" and "heard" in this squadron and exceed the standard in the CC's viewpoint so he goes to bat for you.
At SOS, my class did a mock PRF. One of the groups grading the PRF did not see a person had been arrested twice so they scored his package pretty high. I pointed out their error. I had a reservist ask how long I'm going to hold the arrests against the officer? I could only respond that the other officers have been doing what's right and deserve to be promoted. I could understand if he got arrested once, but twice is my limitation. Now look at how much trouble you can get into while in the Army and still get promoted. I'm an Army brat and I've seen it first hand. Different services...different personnel.
You are a shitty "leader." Great motivation telling someone they might not go to SOS when pretty much everyone goes........doucher. That person probably cares even less about SOS after your "awesome" feedback. I'd argue most solid dudes could give 10 less shits about SOS...a borderline dude might give 20 less shits....nice work.
You did a mock PRF!? WOW! I think everyone does that there....I remember doing that years back. Now you're the expert?! You suck, go cut yourself.
Edit to add: You are what's wrong with the AF.
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dudes who are facing no motivation to stay require a hell of a lot more than the paltry stipend that is currently offered. Up theirs, not mine. You've got me. We need THEM.
Chuck
Good on you for getting the upper hand on the situation - anyone with half a brain would do the same thing
Along with your YGBSM part, I can see the other end of the spectrum on this: A prior E who doesn't qualify for the bonus (has more than 16 TAFMS at ADSC completion) will probably get a 365 instead of a bonus to persuade his/her decision to stay to retirement.............what does someone do in that situation? 1. Take the 365 (win for AF) or 2. Punch (yay, no retirement for you! Also win for AF) Probably part of GC's "we got this" BS...........Uggh
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I don't understand the reasoning w/MAJCOM pushes being bad. Push lines are supposed to be logical -- I've seen several solid new majors go to MAJCOM staff -- that is a normal progression.
I don't care about the secret codes, I really don't. Often, I think people really look into them too much. Granted, I am not a member of the secret society of secret OPR code writers..........
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I would think being able to say "I used the GI Bill so it was free" is a pretty rock solid "excuse" for having a 737 type rating. I plan on using HPA not because I want to fly for SWA, but because I'm getting Uncle Sam to pay for my ratings anyway, so why not get all I can out of it?
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I'm in a situation where it's not worth transferring remaining GI Bill and incurring another 4yr ADSC. Like you said, I could use HPA for free to get my ATP (oh and by the way the type) instead of shelling out 2-3K for the ATP out of pocket. I see what people are saying about other airlines "penalizing" for the 737 type..............but I don't think I'd want to fly for a company that penalizes someone for having a 737 type....especially when it was a result of using up GI Bill.
Anyone know anyone in the industry that can spread the word that miltary pilots might get the 737 type because it is actually cheaper than out-of-pocket ATP? Would be nice if the hiring officials knew the real story.
Edit: stupid computer.
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Not dogging on tankers in any way. What I was trying to say was pick based on core mission. Tankers definitely do more than AR but the core mission is AR. 17s core mission is to take stuff from A-B often tactically and do AR on the way. Both cool, just different core missions.
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If you want to be tactical such as flying low-level, doing assault landings, NVG ops, etc pick the C-17. You will also have a chance to travel the world.
If you'd rather focus on the civilian-based airframe, fly circles and tracks, pick the KC-10. They travel, too but I will just say that I have been places I'd never have had the opportunity to see otherwise by flying the 17. Every 10 person I know loves it and every 17 pilot I know loves it, too.
As someone said earlier, pick the jet based on mission - there is probably going to be a level of BS in every job you will ever have.
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You pilot idiots want to argue with someone deep in the personnel world about a personnel issue? Stick to airplanes, flyboys. You're not as briliiant as you think you are.
This idiot pilot wishes you wouldn't talk. Something is deep inside of you deep inside the personnel world.
You think that is supposed to impress us?
Combat mission count.... go.
Don't forget, nerd: this is the AIR Force. Without us, you'd be in the lower rungs of human resources at Blockbuster Video or something.
Eff off.
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This dude has been correct in almost everything he has said, mostly the party line, but what do you expect?? Ask him about VSP, RIF, AF future; you guys are bogged down. I know most of us are pilots and he may be not, but not all AF leaders are pilots (sucks). Lets get this forum back to the real AF and less bitching, continue some bitching, but ask about real issues, AND OFFER FIXES! Maybe that is a new forum.
I'm just a ANG fighter pilot Major, but lobbing grenades at a senior dude that might listen is crap, if you complain, recommend a fix!
I could listen to someone like Chang at a CC call or probably on some forum on the portal. No thanks.
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I always thought it applied to active duty, too. Couldn't find anything other than title 10 as mentioned ^
Has the AF ever anyone heard of someone booted someone at 18 for simply not getting promoted (no UCMJ etc issues)?
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Pot? Meet kettle.
Well said
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Nice explanation - appreciate it!