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REALLY, DUDE? REALLY? Take the opportunity to reconsider what you've written. Would you want your wife or kids put in a dumpster? What about your brother/sister/mom/dad? REALLY? I doubt it. In fact, if you really put yourself in the shoes of a loved one and not the deceased, I think you'll see it differently. I think to most, the thought of their deceased children ending up in a dumpster is enraging. These soldiers were somebody's children.
Reconsidering... Nope, still not all that alarmed by this. To answer your hypothetical - if I had buried my wife or kids, and told the authorities to not notify me if they find more, and to dispose of additional remains as they see fit, then fine. These remains in question are being treated just like medical waste - suppose you have frostbitten toes that get removed in the hospital, what do you think they do with your toes? Burial at sea? No, incinerator and dumpter. Point is, the facility is treating unwanted remains the same as medical waste. That should be the real headline, not the hype inducing "soldiers in landfills" but that sells papers I guess.
I'll agree that the landfill may not be the best place, but really the options are limited when the family has specifically declined notification. Burial at sea seems respectful, but then what are the chances of a partially cremated ulna washing up on the beach somewhere down the line? A mass grave behind the facility seems appropriate also, but would be pretty labor intensive and require recurring upkeep. Someone said Arlington, that would work too I guess, but some might find the idea of hundreds of unwanted remains jumbled together to be as unappealing as a landfill.
Finally, as much as I want to see Skeletor move on, why is Schwartz being singled out on this site for this? As far as I can tell from the news articles, this stopped before he was appointed.
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Probably a dissenting opinion, but here are my thoughts. Surivors/dependents fill out a CJMAB (Central Joint Mortuary Affairs Board) Form 1, "Disposition of Remains Election Statement Initial Notification of Partial Remains." Section 2 of this form asks the next of kin to decide between the following:
Option 1: In the event that further remains are identified, I would like to be notified and given the choice of accepting subsequent portions for disposition.
Option 2: In the event that further remains are identified, I do not want to be notified. I authorize the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force or Coast Guard to make appropriate disposition.
As you can imagine, many survivors don't want to be notified a month or a year later that an additional body part has been matched to their departed loved ones, and select option 2. To all of you who are shocked and horrified - what would you have the mortuary affairs folks do with the odd body part that is later matched to the deceased, when their next of kin have selected option two?
Naturally, cremation seems appropriate. The government has already been authorized to dispose of additional remains, so what's wrong with putting the cremains in a dumpster? The deceased have already been honored and buried, presumably with respect, so if the families don't want to be notified, and have instructed the government to determine disposition, I fail to see the cause for hysteric uproar. And yes, if a limb of mine turns up a year after I'm dead and gone, feel free to incinerate it and throw the ash/bone mix away.
Flame on.
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This professor is part of a small minority, even my most left wing friends had something patriotic to say on veterans day. This guy is a douche, and an insignificant one at that.
The way you worded this implies that there is some correlation between political viewpoints and level of patriotism. I know that some on the extreme right have worked hard since 9/11 to set that tone, but I like to assume that most people are smart enough to not buy into it. The military isn't an instrument of the right-wing, so it's hardly noteworthy that people with left-wing views support the military.
The professor sounds like a piece of shit though.
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I know it's been a while. Anthony was a friend of a friend, and that friend knows I keep current on this site and asked me if I had any new words on this mishap. I didn't, but I figured I'd ask you guys if there was ever a causal determination for this?
Frequent lurker here but I'm very familiar with the type of plane he was flying. The Mooney M20E (and all vintage Mooneys for that matter) are subject to tailplane stalls under icing conditions with flap deployment. Two separate commercial pilots who went missed before him reported light icing, which may mean something different to a much faster commercial aircraft than it does to a light fixed-wing. Preliminary report also detail a near-vertical impact, which suggests icing over other possible factors such as a forced landing or spatial-disorientation.
The NTSB is much slower than USAF safety channels. Here is the preliminary report from the NTSB:
On December 22, 2010, at 1159 mountain standard time, a Mooney M20E airplane, N79869, impacted terrain following a missed approach to City of Colorado Springs Municipal Airport (COS), Colorado Springs, Colorado. The commercial pilot and one passenger were fatally injured. The personal flight was being conducted under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 with an Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) flight plan. The cross-country flight originated at Rapid City Regional Airport (RAP), Rapid City, South Dakota, and the intended destination was COS. Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) prevailed at the time of the accident.
The pilot checked in with COS approach control at 1138 and was given an ILS approach to Runway 17L. The pilot flew one approach and reported going missed approach at 1158:27 and disappeared from radar about 1159. The airplane wreckage was located about .1 mile south of the approach end of Runway 17L and about 400 feet east of the runway centerline.
The pilot reported “VFR on top” and entering clouds during the approach at glide slope intercept at 8,500 feet mean sea level (MSL) Weather at 1154 was reported 100 foot ceiling, .25 mile visibility with freezing fog, temperature 26.6 degrees F, and winds 160 degrees at 07 knots. During the approach runway visual range was reported to the pilot as varying between 800 feet and 1,200 feet. While the pilot was speaking to approach controllers during his approach two commercial aircraft departed COS and reported to approach controllers light icing.
The wreckage and initial impact were aligned on a 285 degree magnetic heading. All wreckage was contained within about 100 feet, with the main wreckage consisting of the engine, both wings, and the fuselage aft of the cockpit mostly collocated about 20 feet south and east of the initial impact point. The cockpit was mostly consumed by post crash fire. The fuselage and the empennage were upright with the right wing attached. The left wing was partially attached to the fuselage and inverted. The leading edge of both wings exhibited accordion type crushing consistent with a near vertical impact. The landing gear were in the retracted position. The engine was located next to the left side of the cockpit area. One propeller blade was partially embedded at the initial impact site and exhibited leading edge polishing. The remaining two blades were attached to the propeller hub.
Remains of 274 US troops dumped in landfill
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