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While we're at it, just close the zoo, it costs too much anyways and is always in trouble in the news. I'm serious, shut the bitch down.

Totally agree. And I'll take it one step further: the only commissioning source should be OTS, fastest and cheapest.

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Totally agree. And I'll take it one step further: the only commissioning source should be OTS, fastest and cheapest.

I'm curious to find the cost difference between training an officer via ROTC vs OTS. The quick google search had old data, and usually assumes an ROTC cadet is on scholarship. I would argue that if all cadets were on non-scholarship, that ROTC might be not too far from the cost of OTS. Either way, being able to observe a cadet for 3-5 years before deciding whether or not to commission them, give them a pilot slot, etc is probably a better overall indicator of initial/future performance in the Air Force vs just the application process (where OTS applicants learn what job they will get) and the 12 week course of training/deciding whether or not to commission a cadet (this part might be as good as ROTC?). As for costs, the bigger Dets can train a cadet cheaper than the smaller Dets since the cadre and facilities are present in both, regardless of how many get commissioned. With the recent cuts, has anyone heard of smaller Dets being shut down? But I agree, the service academies are not a good value compared to the alternatives.

It's an interesting debate, and probably better on another thread (I'm sure this has been argued in another thread but I'm too lazy to check).

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"BLUF: To set clear expectations and restore Airman's time, the following changes are being implemented emphasizing job performance as the primary consideration when evaluating officers for promotion:
A. AADs will not be expected until promotion to colonel for line of the Air Force officers. All data pertaining to AADs will be removed from all promotion-related documents prior to colonel. The promotion-related documents affected are: The Officer Pre-selection Brief (OPB); the Officer Selection Brief (OSB); and the Duty Qualification History Brief (DQHB).
B. Method and timing of DE will be removed from all promotion-related documents (OPB, OSB, and DQHB). These documents will only highlight the level of DE, and the status will reflect that it has been "Completed," and for officers selected to attend DE in-residence, it will reflect "Select."
The first promotion board to implement the new policy will be the Major's (LAF) Central Selection Board scheduled for Dec. 1."
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He has a point. You've got your head in the sand if you think your SR isn't going to glance at the educational history portion of your SURF for helping break the tie between two otherwise identical records during DP/P allocation.

But hey, it's a start.

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Sorry dude, cynical to say the least. I have seen the OSB for the next board, blank degree block and DE just says PDE complete. Unfortunately though as long as it is still accessible, it can still be used. The next board, the change is more symbolic then anything. The strats people received were influenced by the AAD. You can mask the degree but not the number in the OPR. Hopefully this change will help the '06 but more realistically the '07 and younger yr groups.

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Everyone knows about the strat lists that the wings have....has anyone seen AAD and PME in-res/corr w/date complete removed from those sheets? That will tell you if this new mentality is truly happening. I know the one at my unit still has that info on it.

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Sorry dude, cynical to say the least. I have seen the OSB for the next board, blank degree block and DE just says PDE complete. Unfortunately though as long as it is still accessible, it can still be used.

Are you suggesting that the promotion board should not see that an officer has accomplished rank-appropriate PME?

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Not at all Dupe. I was just stating what I have seen for OSBs and that they are in line with the guidance now released (the OSBs dropped a wek or two ago). With the practice bleeding being cut, just saying complete is a great step forward. If someone doesn't complete rank appropriate PME, that should be highlighted to the promo board. The real discriminator from the SURF for SRs will be the AAD since you can't practice bleed anymore.

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"BLUF: To set clear expectations and restore Airman's time, the following changes are being implemented emphasizing job performance as the primary consideration when evaluating officers for promotion:
A. AADs will not be expected until promotion to colonel for line of the Air Force officers. All data pertaining to AADs will be removed from all promotion-related documents prior to colonel. The promotion-related documents affected are: The Officer Pre-selection Brief (OPB); the Officer Selection Brief (OSB); and the Duty Qualification History Brief (DQHB).
B. Method and timing of DE will be removed from all promotion-related documents (OPB, OSB, and DQHB). These documents will only highlight the level of DE, and the status will reflect that it has been "Completed," and for officers selected to attend DE in-residence, it will reflect "Select."
The first promotion board to implement the new policy will be the Major's (LAF) Central Selection Board scheduled for Dec. 1."
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Does the method/timing for DE apply to all?? Including IDE?

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So does anyone know any twice passed over dudes who turned down continuation? I heard TERA was offered to those eligible who weren't offered continuation this year. How about those declining continuation? Is this a viable option to back-door TERA when it seems like the other opportunities to find something else to do are drying up...

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Not Little Rock but got mine back last week. The MLRs are all complete so they should all be done & signed. Senior Raters generally release them all at once and per instruction they're supposed to drop them about one month before the board - so if you don't have yours yet you'll probably have it by early next week at latest.

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Anyone hear rumint that the 05 year group promotion rates maybe insane? I can only assume that's due to everyone jumping ship in our year group.

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I was told when mine was handed back that the promotion rate was going to be 95% with a 75% DP rate. Sounds like '05 May be at the bottom of the RIF / force management bathtub.

I got the same word on the 75% DP allocation from an A1 type. Didn't say anything about the 95% promotion rate but that would make sense with a DP rate that high - it's normally 65%ish right?

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I got the same word on the 75% DP allocation from an A1 type. Didn't say anything about the 95% promotion rate but that would make sense with a DP rate that high - it's normally 65%ish right?

Yeah, I think so. I know this is the highest I have seen it.

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