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11 hours ago, pawnman said:

It's certainly a weird way of phrasing it...isn't everyone in the right year group "eligible" for promotion at every board?

I agree. They are just saying all 100% can be promoted instead of saying maximum is x% that can promote on a given board. Wording is a little weird. 

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I agree. They are just saying all 100% can be promoted instead of saying maximum is x% that can promote on a given board. Wording is a little weird. 
I think it's typically worded as 100% promotion opportunity, based on them being "fully qualified" (i.e. no legal trouble) for 1LT and Capt.
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3 hours ago, jazzdude said:
4 hours ago, MCO said:
I agree. They are just saying all 100% can be promoted instead of saying maximum is x% that can promote on a given board. Wording is a little weird. 

I think it's typically worded as 100% promotion opportunity, based on them being "fully qualified" (i.e. no legal trouble) for 1LT and Capt.

Remember also promotion oppurtunity is based on the # IPZ in that particular year. If there are a few APZ then the board will not promote a few IPZ if they can justify some of the APZ possessing more promotion potential than the bottom of the IPZ.

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The O-5 board has been updated. Air Staff approved it on 29 Apr 21. I am assuming SECAF will be this month, so maybe a late-June release? Hopefully it goes faster than last year. If not, I would guess results might not be released until late-July/early-August.

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20 minutes ago, celtic020 said:

Anyone know the odds of getting selected in first look for SDE?  I gotta assume its incredibly low.  But is it low enough where its pointless to even try?  

If you're trying for O-6...just go ahead and start AWC in correspondence.

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13 hours ago, celtic020 said:

Anyone know the odds of getting selected in first look for SDE?  I gotta assume its incredibly low.  But is it low enough where its pointless to even try?  

If you aren’t a graduated SQ/CC, the odds are infinitesimally small you’ll be picked up for SDE first look. 

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22 hours ago, pawnman said:

If you're trying for O-6...just go ahead and start AWC in correspondence.

How fast can the current iteration of AWC be completed?  The book answer doesn't have an answer.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/eSchool/documents/PME/Combined_PME_Handbook_current.pdf

It lists 7 months for ACSC (which is very doable)...but doesn't put a timeline for AWC.  It looks comparable to ACSC maybe a little shorter.

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10 hours ago, war007afa said:

If you aren’t a graduated SQ/CC, the odds are infinitesimally small you’ll be picked up for SDE first look. 

My quick bar napkin math tells me that it’s nearly impossible to be a ‘graduated’ sq cc and then have your first look.  Even if you’re early to command, I’m pretty sure your first look would still be while being a sitting commander.  
 

I had a recent Sq commander who was not a BTZ O-5, but was a school select on his O-5 board, who then was picked up his first look while being a commander.  Interestingly enough he turned it down.  

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How fast can the current iteration of AWC be completed?  The book answer doesn't have an answer.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/eSchool/documents/PME/Combined_PME_Handbook_current.pdf

It lists 7 months for ACSC (which is very doable)...but doesn't put a timeline for AWC.  It looks comparable to ACSC maybe a little shorter.


I min ran it in about 4 months. Longest wait time is for the facilitated courses, but you can take multiple classes at once. Not sure on the limit, I was doing 2 concurrently.

It’s manageable.
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4 hours ago, HeloDude said:

My quick bar napkin math tells me that it’s nearly impossible to be a ‘graduated’ sq cc and then have your first look.  Even if you’re early to command, I’m pretty sure your first look would still be while being a sitting commander.  
 

I had a recent Sq commander who was not a BTZ O-5, but was a school select on his O-5 board, who then was picked up his first look while being a commander.  Interestingly enough he turned it down.  

As a flyer commanding an ops squadron it’s possible but you would have to be a commander as you pinned on O-5. I’ve seen it but it’s rare. Otherwise your bar napkin math checks.

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5 hours ago, HeloDude said:

My quick bar napkin math tells me that it’s nearly impossible to be a ‘graduated’ sq cc and then have your first look.  Even if you’re early to command, I’m pretty sure your first look would still be while being a sitting commander.  
 

I had a recent Sq commander who was not a BTZ O-5, but was a school select on his O-5 board, who then was picked up his first look while being a commander.  Interestingly enough he turned it down.  

The majority of non-rated career fields will have O-4s as commanders. Some, like SFS and MX, they'll get multiple command tours. 

Which is also why it's dangerous to go up for O-5 IPZ from a line job, and not school/staff - most of your competition are sitting squadron commanders. At least under the old system. 

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O-5 Board updated again. Approved by SECAF on 25 May and reported into OSD on 27 May. If it follows last years timeline, public release should be end of June (29th maybe?).

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O-5 Board update: Reported into USD on 4 Jun.

If it follows the last boards timeline (13 working days from USD (P&R) to public release), that would mean:

DepSecDef: 4 or 7 Jun

Public Release: 23 Jun (Wednesday)

So notifications out between 18-22 June (that is a Friday to Tuesday)? Not sure when the list is sent to the Wings...If that timeline follows, should be next week, right?

Sorry, no morale slide for this step-brief.

*Note...I have no idea if it will follow the same timeline, but it looks like we should definitely know before the 4th of July weekend. Also, feel free to check my work/math in public, probably missed something.

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I think 2x passed over is your IPZ look and 1xAPZ look. Not sure what they will call it when they change to the 5 total looks...Maybe something like, "I'm on my X look for promotion"?

 

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I think 2x passed over is your IPZ look and 1xAPZ look. Not sure what they will call it when they change to the 5 total looks...Maybe something like, "I'm on my X look for promotion"?
 

This is correct. Your 1 APZ after your IPZ is considered “twice passed” over. For those in that unfortunate class, you should find out immediately from your CC is continuation is being offered. However, with the new 5 year look, I’m not familiar with how that actually will work…
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O-5 board updated.

Public release established as 23 Jun. I would assume notifications were supposed to start tomorrow and will get going in earnest on Monday. 

Edit: The results will be released 90~ days from the date the board adjourned (23 March to 23 June). I Don't think I have seen an O-5 board move that fast in 5 years I have been meeting them.

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On 6/10/2021 at 1:56 PM, 14N Guy said:

O-5 Board update: Reported into USD on 4 Jun.

If it follows the last boards timeline (13 working days from USD (P&R) to public release), that would mean:

DepSecDef: 4 or 7 Jun

Public Release: 23 Jun (Wednesday)

So notifications out between 18-22 June (that is a Friday to Tuesday)? Not sure when the list is sent to the Wings...If that timeline follows, should be next week, right?

Sorry, no morale slide for this step-brief.

*Note...I have no idea if it will follow the same timeline, but it looks like we should definitely know before the 4th of July weekend. Also, feel free to check my work/math in public, probably missed something.

Just bumping my own assessment #nailedit

*I did miss the DepSecDef date, which was 8 Jun

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I wonder if tomorrow being a federal holiday will impact the notification timeline.


Tomorrow’s a Federal Holiday? I did not get that memo...

~Bendy
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12 minutes ago, Bender said:

 


Tomorrow’s a Federal Holiday? I did not get that memo...

~Bendy

 

POTUS signed Juneteenth into law as a federal holiday that falls on 19 June. Since that is a Saturday, OPM announced that it will be observed Friday, 18 June.

 

 

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