Phase4 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 So, what’s the latest RUMINT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panchbarnes Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 In related news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, panchbarnes said: In related news... Spoiler: Airlines gonna rebound this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Homestar said: Spoiler: Airlines gonna rebound this year! Nah man, during his speach about how you shouldn't do this for the money, the good general let us know the airlines aren't recovering any time soon. In unrelated news, anyone seen any them bonuses around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Southwest is planning on being almost 70% of normal schedule in April. Saw some weird message online about a hiring webinar or something too. I doubt we hire anytime soon, but I could see where they would hire and leave the guys on leave off property just to keep the pool fresh.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoEN Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 9 hours ago, Phase4 said: So, what’s the latest RUMINT? FY21 AvB releases Thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, BroncoEN said: FY21 AvB releases Thursday and it's a doozy. Ouch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skosh Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 go with data... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, skosh said: go with data... $100k/yr (tax free) with 1 year min signing time for maintenance officers, finance specialists and CE. $69k/yr for WSOs w/ 20 year minimum signing time taxed at 50%. For any 11-X AFSCs, no bonus because the retention is fixed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Just read it. Big old nope for me. The AF values rotary wing 11Hs as much as a fuckin' Nav or ABM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDDieselPilot Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 anyone bored and care to post it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigred Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 40 minutes ago, MDDieselPilot said: anyone bored and care to post it? In the interest of keeping the rumor mill fully operational, this is what a dude in my squadron just sent me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorgan Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 That’s missing tiers 1-3, which should include the initial eligibles. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) Don’t have a picture handy, but for real this time: Tier 1 Initial 11F/B/S/M, CSAR FW & HC-130s 5-7 years: $25k/yr with $100k up front option 8-12 years: $35k/yr with $200k up front option Tier 2 Initial CSAR RW 5-7 years: $15k/yr 8-12 years: $25k/yr Tier 3 Initial 11U/18X 5-7 years: $25k/yr 8-12 years: $35k/yr Edited March 3, 2021 by Standby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorgan Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Gotta love that the guys that have the shortest commitment after winging and are the easiest/cheapest to replace end up with the best bonus option, while the Air Force shits on the RW guys.An 18u looking to retire at 20 can take the 12 year bonus after their six year commitment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 This would've been the perfect opportunity for the AF to prove that people are its most valuable asset. Not only that, they could have doubled down and bridged the gap on retention until UPT output gets fixed by bumping the bonus. What's everyone's guess on how much higher the take rate would've been if they offered $50k/yr? A number which is actually cheap when compared to the cost of training another pilot; not to mention the most important aspect: A dude that has 8-12 years' worth of experience is literally irreplaceable for 8-12 years and has a non-linear impact because that person can train/mentor dozens of fellow squad members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I'm as bearish as they come when it comes to finances, but even I acknowledge the airlines will resume dod-retention germane hiring in way less than five fiscal years. I'm not saying blue is pulling anything surprising by taking advantage of covid to cajole people into a de facto 20 year ADSC, but I think they overplayed their hand by telegraphing for posterity what we all privately knew: the DOD does NOT care about experience retention, get it through your thick Stockholm syndrome skulls already. Any rhetoric to the contrary from senior leadership is rank gaslighting at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodeskjobs Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, hindsight2020 said: I'm as bearish as they come when it comes to finances, but even I acknowledge the airlines will resume dod-retention germane hiring in way less than five fiscal years. I'm not saying blue is pulling anything surprising by taking advantage of covid to cajole people into a de facto 20 year ADSC, but I think they overplayed their hand by telegraphing for posterity what we all privately knew: the DOD does NOT care about experience retention, get it through your thick Stockholm syndrome skulls already. Any rhetoric to the contrary from senior leadership is rank gaslighting at this point. Exhibit A: I signed a 3 year bonus last year. I know stupid me. But I already have a line number with a major air line, so I got that going for me. 6,000+ hour, prior EP in the -17. Requal’d at LTS, then did 2 local flights at CHS. And here I sit with ~80 hours since Altus, that was from April 2020 til now. I’m now tagged to do a 6-month ground deployment supporting COVID vaccine distribution. How’s that not FWA? 3 CBTs later I’m a vaccine expert! We need pilots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, Nodeskjobs said: Exhibit A: I signed a 3 year bonus last year. I know stupid me. But I already have a line number with a major air line, so I got that going for me. 6,000+ hour, prior EP in the -17. Requal’d at LTS, then did 2 local flights at CHS. And here I sit with ~80 hours since Altus, that was from April 2020 til now. I’m now tagged to do a 6-month ground deployment supporting COVID vaccine distribution. How’s that not FWA? 3 CBTs later I’m a vaccine expert! We need pilots! But we redesigned the PT uniform. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 No bonus for 11Rs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 As I haven't said it a minute, and now I have even more perspective after separating. DO NOT TAKE THE BONUS AFRC and ANG have bonuses too, and they aren't underhanded or insulting. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 The Air Force does not value you as an individual...it is a numbers game and they just proved it. In two years when they are screaming about retention point back to this ACP offering while telling them to suck an egg. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) This just circles back to the Wills, "win one for the gipper," FB post. Not hard to spot when you're being given the "you're not going to like this" speech....seen it plenty of times now. Dude would have gotten more respect if he'd have just said, sorry gents (can you still say that), you're not going to like the bonus, but we're stuck with what congress is giving us because they think the problem is fixed. 4 hours ago, ClearedHot said: The Air Force does not value you as an individual...it is a numbers game and they just proved it. In two years when they are screaming about retention point back to this ACP offering while telling them to suck an egg. Word! Mongo just pawn in game of life! BTW, your post just made me think of the defensive egg post. Talk about a flashback! Edited March 4, 2021 by SocialD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, SocialD said: Word! Mong just pawn in game of life! BTW, your post just made me think of the defensive egg post. Talk about a flashback! It shall live forever! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTLFlyer Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just coming on completing my 6yr 18X commitment. I'm AGR ANG. I'm thinking of signing 12 year 35k bonus because I plan on doing 20yr. Does 18X qualify for the 100k up front for 12 year? Would it be smarter to just sign 8 year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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