SocialD Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Last I talked to finance, the AD and AGR guys were already updated and getting the new flight pays. If you're a technician or DSG...well, it might be a while. Apparently, they wrote the code for flight pay with punch cards and everything has to be completely redone. I was promised we'd be back payed to the FY...so checks in the mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperStud Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 So are they screwing all the DSGs and TRs by forcing a situation where they’ll need to update W-2s after the fact? Will the pay be fixed and updated W-2s sent out in a timely enough manner to file? I had this happen for a pay screw—up by finance and had to refile my return two years after the fact. Way to go, govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 DFAS has a budget of $1.4 billion. Billion with a B. It's really a staggering level of incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpack Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Wait, so now the flight pay bump from 6 to 14 years aviation service moved to 10 years aviation service? And it's been effective since last April? Looks like i'll be getting some back pay coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotel Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 I am seeing the same thing on this chart - looks legit $1k at 10 years...I had not heard anything about this and my finance office is still working on the fix for the original $750 and $1k change from October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 13 hours ago, Fuzz said: Anyone else notice the new 2018 pay tables published by DFAS? Bigger raise than the August announcement and theres no longer a seperate pay table for the enlisted flyers. I asked my finance about the changes and they less helpful than if I hadnt even bothered to ask them the question. The enlisted rates are still $150-$400. It's defined in DoD 7000.14-R Table 22-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 14 hours ago, Fuzz said: Anyone else notice the new 2018 pay tables published by DFAS? Bigger raise than the August announcement and theres no longer a seperate pay table for the enlisted flyers. I asked my finance about the changes and they less helpful than if I hadnt even bothered to ask them the question. http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1290397/air-force-announces-initiatives-to-lessen-pilot-shortage/ AF had pegged the $1000 figure at 12 years.. I doubt they could have boned up the roll out that much. It would be a nice back pay bump of a few hundreds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) I just started an order on the 2nd and already have my first paycheck on mypay. It shows my flight pay still at $650, I should be at $800 based on the chart above...Go figure. Edited January 8, 2018 by SocialD Maths buffoonery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbush Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 For one more data point, my (AD) flight pay correctly updated to the new table at the start of the FY, but I haven't yet seen the jump from 2+ YAS to 6+ YAS that should have gone through in November. Seems like a total crapshoot right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 11 hours ago, sixpack said: Wait, so now the flight pay bump from 6 to 14 years aviation service moved to 10 years aviation service? And it's been effective since last April? Looks like i'll be getting some back pay coming. I didnt even notice that, finance had zero clue and could only answer with "our system says this rate so thats what we pay you", makes me wonder why we are paying an E-7 to regurgitate what a computer shows him with zero critical thinking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 So is this new table starting CY2018? I wonder why they increased it from just a couple months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 9 hours ago, 1111 said: http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1290397/air-force-announces-initiatives-to-lessen-pilot-shortage/ AF had pegged the $1000 figure at 12 years.. I doubt they could have boned up the roll out that much. It would be a nice back pay bump of a few hundreds I can completely see the AF boning this up, their track record with personnel management is in line with something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 15 hours ago, Fuzz said: I can completely see the AF boning this up, their track record with personnel management is in line with something like this. That is one major cock up and if the table holds true then folks need to back pay since May 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osulax05 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, 1111 said: That is one major cock up and if the table holds true then folks need to back pay since May 2017. Checks... by my herc driver math I’m owed ~$1.1k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragspider Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) While it would be nice if that was accurate and we would get the back pay, my herkish math I’d get back $2,700, I’m not holding my breath on this one. I’ve check for that table and the DoD reg I’ve found off the source site doesn’t show the updated tables. If I could find it I’d walk into the local finance shop and bring this up so I can do the press to test on this. Edited January 8, 2018 by cragspider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, cragspider said: While it would be nice if that was accurate and we would get the back pay, my herkish math I’d get back $2,700, I’m not holding my breath on this one. I’ve check for that table and the DoD reg I’ve found off the source site doesn’t show the updated tables. If I could find it I’d walk into the local finance shop and bring this up so I can do the press to test on this. I saw the DFAS pdf, which had the updated table on it. Is there something more official than that? I’d say I’d have a hard time believing they put an incorrect flight pay table on their military pay pdf, but it is DoD finance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragspider Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, flyusaf83 said: I saw the DFAS pdf, which had the updated table on it. Is there something more official than that? I’d say I’d have a hard time believing they put an incorrect flight pay table on their military pay pdf, but it is DoD finance... I found the pdf, while it should be official now check out the fmr 07a that is referenced in the pdf. It isn’t up to date as the dfas pdf is. I would bet that the fmr is the base pay reg and not what dfas has listed. The $800 at 6 years is the step in the the right direction along with the $1,000 at 10 vs 12 years. But like we both said it is dod fiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, cragspider said: I found the pdf, while it should be official now check out the fmr 07a that is referenced in the pdf. It isn’t up to date as the dfas pdf is. I would bet that the fmr is the base pay reg and not what dfas has listed. The $800 at 6 years is the step in the the right direction along with the $1,000 at 10 vs 12 years. But like we both said it is dod fiance. It makes sense, they should be targeting senior captains and junior majors who are in the decision making part of their 10 yr UPT ADSCs. IMO, it’s too little, too late. Most have already made their decisions and this kind of money isn’t going to change much. Edited January 8, 2018 by flyusaf83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotel Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 On 1/6/2018 at 5:44 PM, SocialD said: I just started an order on the 2nd and already have my first paycheck on mypay. It shows my flight pay still at $650, I should be at $800 based on the chart above...Go figure. Hmmm....I just checked my January LES and I am getting $700. I'm a 10+ year dude...this is seriously jacked...what's the correct amount? I would think the 2018 table on the DFAS site would be the master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akang2006 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I’m waiting on my guard finance to research, as I am also an 11 year dude who is currently receiving $700/mo as an AGR. Per the 2018 DFAS tables, I should be well within the $1K/mo table. My mid-January LES reflects $700 still. My finance is asking up the chain and suggests watching the end of January LES. Probably going to do a CMAS (sp?) case if not in my EOM LES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Good luck, Godspeed and please share what you learn...I expect our (Guard) finance to report back with a definitive answer approximately never based on their reaction when I went over and asked the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The answer our finance shop got from NGB is essentially "checks in the mail..." Somehow DFAS figured out how to get the AGRs and AD guys the correct pay rates for 2017, not so much for the DSGs or technicians. Somehow the system figured out I was payed the $650 rate for a few AT days and back payed me for the $700 rate. It still hasn't figured out I need back payed for all my UTAs/AFTPs. Now in 2018, I'm due the $800 rate and I'm still being payed at the $650 rate. I was told to expect an additional paycheck every period to pay me the difference until DFAS can unfuck their computers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Our ANG unit has started rectifying incentive pay in a very haphazard manner. As an over-12 traditional, I'm slowly being made whole for the $1000/mo. figure from back in October and November, but they are still paying me the $650/mo. for AFTPs/UTAs worked last week. It's very random how they are paying out the differences too. I'll get $11.66 per period (or two) worked one day but nothing for the next day. All I can say is track that shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 One AD data point for others to consider: although my flight pay did increase to 1k as advertised, my flight pay TSP contribution was kicked off concurrent with the increase. As others have mentioned, track your pay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I'm a technician and have been getting random LES' for $10 and some change for the last month. I can finally fit into those airline conversations about how thousands of dollars randomly show up for profit sharing... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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