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17 hours ago, skibum said:

I doubt that will get you to the U-2, but it could get you your desired location for family reasons. It also opens up the wide-wide world of many other options.

I think people make too much of the hiring process complexity and black majic but if i've learned anything talking to U-2 people it's don't listen to non-U-2 about the U-2, which I of course I am not and so you shouldn't care what i have to say about it, lol.

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The good ole days of being a UPT IP are over. AETC “is at war”. Not my quote, that’s from the senior leaders. What it translates to: expect max duty day, min crew rest, minimal CT opportunity, and local weekend flying. Sure, you PROBABLY won’t deploy and you’ll get to sleep in your own bed most nights…but the job is hardly a cake walk anymore. You’re going to trade extended TDYs for the meat grinder of pilot production. Reference the manning crisis threads for further. 


That’s not true, it’s all a hoax. That’s what they want you to believe.

The student pilots don’t need some experimental accelerated pilot training program that got rushed through and put into circulation.

The IPs just need to give them some ivermectin and the students will fly better and the IPs won’t need to work so hard.

Oh wait, wrong thread. Sorry about that…
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3 hours ago, 12xu2a3x3 said:

I think people make too much of the hiring process complexity and black majic but if i've learned anything talking to U-2 people it's don't listen to non-U-2 about the U-2, which I of course I am not and so you shouldn't care what i have to say about it, lol.

My point is that I believe the U-2 is active component only. Palace Chase = guard or reserve. Perhaps it happens, but I'm not familiar with people jumping back on AD to fly the U-2 after leaving AD. Anyone else care to chime in?

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10 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

@M2 It seems this thread and the “Changing/Switching Airframes” thread in General Discussion are basically the same thing.

Concur.  Merged, thanks!

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Haha!

I separated at the 15 year point of my AD career. 
Came back to the U-2 two years later and on AD. 

A few years later, I retired from AD while flying the U-2. Returned to AD again to fly the U-2. 
 

We have another pilot here that did the same thing as me, albeit a few years after I did it. 
 

The U-2 is The Land of Misfit Toys. We are an odd lot. 

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Hey all, this seems like the appropriate place to ask this question.

I'm an active guy in an older tanker platform and I'm not enjoying it. I'd like to leave the tanker world at the conclusion of this assignment. I'll even go back to UPT for an assignment, but I'd rather still stay on the operational side. I do NOT want to go back to the tanker (or to the KC-46). Are there crossflow opportunities out there for tanker guys? Thanks!

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53 minutes ago, Yeetaway6969 said:

Hey all, this seems like the appropriate place to ask this question.

I'm an active guy in an older tanker platform and I'm not enjoying it. I'd like to leave the tanker world at the conclusion of this assignment. I'll even go back to UPT for an assignment, but I'd rather still stay on the operational side. I do NOT want to go back to the tanker (or to the KC-46). Are there crossflow opportunities out there for tanker guys? Thanks!

Easiest is to go teach at UPT, but that will only be temporary and you'll end up back in the tanker unless you can swing a follow on PIT assignment. Phoenix Reach/Mobility can also get you out of the tanker for an assignment. 89th or Flight Check are more permanent options. And there is always the tiny chance of a mechanical crossflow.

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1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

What does “mechanical crossflow” mean?

The functionals let pilots from one MDS move to another MDS. From what I've seen, it's happened when one community is deemed "overmanned" and the other is deemed "undermanned." That's the gouge I've gotten from the 2x former C-17 pilots that have swapped into the KC-135 at least.

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6 hours ago, Yeetaway6969 said:

Hey all, this seems like the appropriate place to ask this question.

I'm an active guy in an older tanker platform and I'm not enjoying it. I'd like to leave the tanker world at the conclusion of this assignment. I'll even go back to UPT for an assignment, but I'd rather still stay on the operational side. I do NOT want to go back to the tanker (or to the KC-46). Are there crossflow opportunities out there for tanker guys? Thanks!

Couple tanker dudes have cross flowed to AFSOC the last couple of years if that’s your cup of tea. It’s a double edged sword though. 

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1 hour ago, StrikeOut312 said:

The functionals let pilots from one MDS move to another MDS. From what I've seen, it's happened when one community is deemed "overmanned" and the other is deemed "undermanned." That's the gouge I've gotten from the 2x former C-17 pilots that have swapped into the KC-135 at least.

Thanks for the explanation, never heard it called that.

 

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not that there are many 11Rs on here but the rumor is the first dude (a co!) got a -46 assignment, no idea where. if they do actually divest half the jets next year, this might be people's chance to escape tinker/robbins/9th circle.

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On 11/25/2021 at 3:50 PM, Yeetaway6969 said:

Hey all, this seems like the appropriate place to ask this question.

I'm an active guy in an older tanker platform and I'm not enjoying it. I'd like to leave the tanker world at the conclusion of this assignment. I'll even go back to UPT for an assignment, but I'd rather still stay on the operational side. I do NOT want to go back to the tanker (or to the KC-46). Are there crossflow opportunities out there for tanker guys? Thanks!

Go U-2s. 

Gets you out of MAF, keeps you operational, and you get to fly the U-2 and the T-38.

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4 hours ago, 12xu2a3x3 said:

not that there are many 11Rs on here but the rumor is the first dude (a co!) got a -46 assignment, no idea where. if they do actually divest half the jets next year, this might be people's chance to escape tinker/robbins/9th circle.

9th Circle as in Offutt because Nebraska is a cold, windy turdcicle or 9th circle as in the 9th recon wing? 

I figure folks lucky enough to get picked up for the U-2 don't leave it, although I don't know anyone in the U-2 so I can't really speak to it. 

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3 hours ago, LoveDumpster said:

I figure folks lucky enough to get picked up for the U-2 don't leave it, 

Somewhat true when considering moving to other AF platforms, at least in the last few years.  We have had the occasional pilot go to a "special" flying assignment but that was a good career move.  I can't think of too many in the past few years that have gone to other flying assignments without intending to return.

One thing to consider about the U-2:  if you decide to do it and get accepted, you better be sure you want to be there.  No one forced you to go... and you won't get much sympathy if you get there and decide you don't like it.  It's a self-inflicted wound.  We offer you a lot of chances to take a hard look at the good, the bad, and the ugly about U-2 Life.  So get leave, buy an airline ticket, and go spend a couple of days at Beale to check it out before you apply.  

p.s.  Keep in mind, the U-2 Program is overmanned.  Obviously.  As evidenced by the fact that some genius at AFPC decided they didn't qualify for a pilot bonus.  So don't come to the U-2 "for the money".  And don't come there because we have the T-38A.  Come there because you want to be a high-altitude Recce Pilot in the cockpit of a U-2.  In a pressure suit.  By yourself. 

If that isn't your primary reason for going, then save everyone a lot of hassle and look elsewhere.  

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, LoveDumpster said:

9th Circle as in Offutt because Nebraska is a cold, windy turdcicle or 9th circle as in the 9th recon wing? 

I figure folks lucky enough to get picked up for the U-2 don't leave it, although I don't know anyone in the U-2 so I can't really speak to it. 

I know U-2 dudes/dudettes are 11Rs but not really taking about them, I’m talking about 13B controlled communities. I actually hear people like Offutt and I liked the new WG/CC when she was the EOG/CC. But they can’t send everybody there. 

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On 11/25/2021 at 6:50 AM, Yeetaway6969 said:

Hey all, this seems like the appropriate place to ask this question.

I'm an active guy in an older tanker platform and I'm not enjoying it. I'd like to leave the tanker world at the conclusion of this assignment. I'll even go back to UPT for an assignment, but I'd rather still stay on the operational side. I do NOT want to go back to the tanker (or to the KC-46). Are there crossflow opportunities out there for tanker guys? Thanks!

In the last few years, -135 guys have crossflowed to the MC-130J (join spouse) U-28 (mechanical crossflow), F-22, B-1 (MAF to CAF crossflow program), B-2, and more. The Combat Aviation Advisor program is another opportunity to look into. 

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38 minutes ago, Newb said:

In the last few years, -135 guys have crossflowed to the MC-130J (join spouse) U-28 (mechanical crossflow), F-22, B-1 (MAF to CAF crossflow program), B-2, and more. The Combat Aviation Advisor program is another opportunity to look into. 

Any recommendations on how you pitch a crossflow to your cc and/or functional outside of special assignment programs (U2, 89th, Phoenix Reach, etc.)? From my experience it seems (or at least there's the appearance) that dudes who say they want to leave their mws often get hung out to dry.

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