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19 hours ago, LoveDumpster said:

46 driver here.

I have yet to see a single person get released from the KC-46 to go to anything else. Not even a white jet. If you come here, you're probably here for life. It's not a bad place to be (I like it a hell of a lot more than where I came from) but I doubt you'd be able to get a functional release to go to the U-2 down the line. Just about everyone I know at that's at their 10 year commitment is punching so manning is already going to be a tough sell. The 46 is an amazing jet to fly, but be advised a lot of your leadership is the AMC "shiny penny" type of dude, so YMMV depending on what you want to do with your career. 

If you're really interested in the 46, give the functional a call. He's easy to work with to get in, and they *are* taking regular mechanical crossflows AFAIK since manning isn't the best. 

I'm also interested in the U-2/B-2, but what you want and the Air Force wants are often two different things - and Big Blue always wins. 

There's also other jobs at McGuire that take flyers. I doubt you could go KC-10s since they're on their way out, but C-17s are possible, and you could make a case for the CRG.

That’s because one has to be realistic with their wants based on their ability. I know plenty of MAF pilots who wanted to fly U-2s, however their performances on check rides in their FEFs didn’t support their aviation desires.

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So just to be clear, it's unlikely your 11R functional will prevent you from applying to the U-2 since they manage both positions. However, they can and will deny you approval to apply to other for hire programs depending on manning. 

Additionally, as @Sua Sponte mentioned, getting into the programs is not an automatic. Your skill has to match your desire. Truth is, not everyone is a phenomenal pilot. 

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hey y’all! heard some rumint the other day supposedly from afpc via a sq/cc via another co in my community, wondering if there’s any merit to it and if anyone has heard anything similar. I’m told that every pilot must, within their first ten years, go do a white jet tour or instruct at the ftu. 

 

who’s got the gouge?

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hey y’all! heard some rumint the other day supposedly from afpc via a sq/cc via another co in my community, wondering if there’s any merit to it and if anyone has heard anything similar. I’m told that every pilot must, within their first ten years, go do a white jet tour or instruct at the ftu. 
 
who’s got the gouge?


"Standard" for the UPT commitment is 2x tours in your MWS, 1x outside your MWS (UPT, IFF, FTU, ALO/AMLO, etc).

Manning in some communities doesn't allow this (I think fighter community is staying on the line, for better or for worse).

ETA: not a hard "rule," but probably covers 75% of pilots
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1 hour ago, Ch33s3 said:

hey y’all! heard some rumint the other day supposedly from afpc via a sq/cc via another co in my community, wondering if there’s any merit to it and if anyone has heard anything similar. I’m told that every pilot must, within their first ten years, go do a white jet tour or instruct at the ftu. 

 

who’s got the gouge?

What, you didn’t think the AF was gonna let you finish your commitment before getting its pound of flesh out of you first, did you?

I did a tour in white jets. Was probably my favorite assignment, honestly. 

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What, you didn’t think the AF was gonna let you finish your commitment before getting its pound of flesh out of you first, did you?
I did a tour in white jets. Was probably my favorite assignment, honestly. 

White jets have a terrible reputation. I’ve had great assignments that make people jealous and one to Laughlin that makes people cringe…I loved it. One of the best things to happen to me in life was going there as a young Capt.
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14 hours ago, Ch33s3 said:

hey y’all! heard some rumint the other day supposedly from afpc via a sq/cc via another co in my community, wondering if there’s any merit to it and if anyone has heard anything similar. I’m told that every pilot must, within their first ten years, go do a white jet tour or instruct at the ftu. 

 

who’s got the gouge?

What's a white jet tour?

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28 minutes ago, ItnStln said:

What's a white jet tour?

Teaching at UPT. It used to mean other things as well but it appears if you say "white jet" to an assignment functional anymore,  it automatically vectors you to UPT. 

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3 hours ago, FLEA said:

Teaching at UPT. It used to mean other things as well but it appears if you say "white jet" to an assignment functional anymore,  it automatically vectors you to UPT. 

Thanks! Out of curiosity, what did it mean in the past?

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3 minutes ago, ItnStln said:

Thanks! Out of curiosity, what did it mean in the past?

White jets seemingly also used to include DV airlift and certain test applications. In short, grey jets go to war, white jets, or jets painted white, were used for more inane purposes. 

However the term has really just grown to mean training. 

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22 hours ago, WheelsOff said:

What, you didn’t think the AF was gonna let you finish your commitment before getting its pound of flesh out of you first, did you?

I’m an ignorant slut, apologies all! 

Most of these assignments are going to want an experienced AC or IP right? Upgrades seem realllll slow in my neck of the woods, trying to figure out where i might be able to go to actually get some seat time down the road

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On 9/13/2021 at 12:57 PM, FLEA said:

So just to be clear, it's unlikely your 11R functional will prevent you from applying to the U-2 since they manage both positions. However, they can and will deny you approval to apply to other for hire programs depending on manning. 

Additionally, as @Sua Sponte mentioned, getting into the programs is not an automatic. Your skill has to match your desire. Truth is, not everyone is a phenomenal pilot. 

i'm not a phenomenal pilot but i've done alright so far and maybe can keep it going inshallah.

i've kind of resigned myself to T-6s already, might even help with the U-2. the jet will be fun just locations will be tough (my wife and i are late 30s she's got a well established career)

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23 minutes ago, Ch33s3 said:

I’m an ignorant slut, apologies all! 

Most of these assignments are going to want an experienced AC or IP right? Upgrades seem realllll slow in my neck of the woods, trying to figure out where i might be able to go to actually get some seat time down the road

Yea, don’t use that phrase.

UPT IPs require 100 hours of AC time or a waiver.

 

White jet tours are sometimes referred to ALFA. 

Air Liaison Officer (ALO), Lead In Fighter Training (IFF), Forward Air Controller-Airborne (FAC-A), Air Training Command (AETC UPT, UCT, URT IP)

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17 hours ago, di1630 said:


White jets have a terrible reputation. I’ve had great assignments that make people jealous and one to Laughlin that makes people cringe…I loved it. One of the best things to happen to me in life was going there as a young Capt.

Care to explain?  I am the last one to complain:  Willie-->Zweibrucken-->Bergstrom-->DM.

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Care to explain?  I am the last one to complain:  Willie-->Zweibrucken-->Bergstrom-->DM.

Lots of parties at the club, flotillas on the lake. I’d routinely take a T-38 XC solo on weekends from TX to WA, land at a civilian airport, party with friends, and fly home. Sure, it has its down sides but overall a great experience.
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1 hour ago, di1630 said:


Lots of parties at the club, flotillas on the lake. I’d routinely take a T-38 XC solo on weekends from TX to WA, land at a civilian airport, party with friends, and fly home. Sure, it has its down sides but overall a great experience.

I was at Laughlin for 4 years and had a great time.   

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I'm assuming you owe time or you wouldn't be asking. Have you thought of Palace Chase? I used the competing FAM notices in my favor in the past. I had one email saying we were overmanned, so I didn't qualify for the bonus (wouldn't have taken it anyway). I had another one (literally from the same O-6 at HQ) about four weeks later saying they denied my Palace Chase because they were critically manned. I scooped up both, forwarded them to the IG and magically had my Palace Chase approved three weeks later.

I doubt that will get you to the U-2, but it could get you your desired location for family reasons. It also opens up the wide-wide world of many other options.

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The good ole days of being a UPT IP are over. AETC “is at war”. Not my quote, that’s from the senior leaders. What it translates to: expect max duty day, min crew rest, minimal CT opportunity, and local weekend flying. Sure, you PROBABLY won’t deploy and you’ll get to sleep in your own bed most nights…but the job is hardly a cake walk anymore. You’re going to trade extended TDYs for the meat grinder of pilot production. Reference the manning crisis threads for further. 

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8 hours ago, skibum said:

I had one email saying we were overmanned, so I didn't qualify for the bonus.

I had another one (literally from the same O-6 at HQ) about four weeks later saying they denied my Palace Chase because they were critically manned.

Reason #6 why Big Blue doesn't always win.  Because Big Blue is made of up of a myriad of sub-organizations that don't communicate with each other.  

Excellent work, SkiBum.  

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