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I saw a draft memo one of our enlisted troops is submitting to obtain a religious accommodation to be exempt not just for the COVID vaccine, but a whole slew of vaccines that apparently contain genetic material from abortions or were researched using aborted genetic material. This includes the rabies vaccine.

 

Anyway, the argument for the religious accommodation was pretty straight forward. The Ten Commandments say "Thou shalt not kill," and elsewhere in the bible it says those who disobey God's orders will suffer his wrath, thus concluding that if he takes any of these vaccines then he is endorsing the murder of children and will suffer God's wrath.

 

I told him I really can't see it succeeding, but maybe any of you have seen religious exemptions approved?

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40 minutes ago, LumberjackAxe said:

I saw a draft memo one of our enlisted troops is submitting to obtain a religious accommodation to be exempt not just for the COVID vaccine, but a whole slew of vaccines that apparently contain genetic material from abortions or were researched using aborted genetic material. This includes the rabies vaccine.

 

Anyway, the argument for the religious accommodation was pretty straight forward. The Ten Commandments say "Thou shalt not kill," and elsewhere in the bible it says those who disobey God's orders will suffer his wrath, thus concluding that if he takes any of these vaccines then he is endorsing the murder of children and will suffer God's wrath.

 

I told him I really can't see it succeeding, but maybe any of you have seen religious exemptions approved?

He has a possibility but he need the right lawyers and ethicist to connect his case. The first thing they're going to ask if he is a consciences objector because he used "thou shalt not kill" and we are in the military. 

However Thomas Aquinas already justified Thou Shalt Not Kill with military service when he founded double effect doctrine which later went on to create just war theory. 

So if he has someone well versed in Aquinas he can likely use Aquinas arguments to show that Gods Commandment against murder is not absolute but the use of human fetuses for research is not within the parameters Aquinas outlined as acceptable cases.  

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15 hours ago, Prozac said:

 If only there was an easy, relatively cheap, safe, and effective way to treat a disease that has killed hundreds of thousands and has the potential to sicken and kill many more, all while keeping main street open.  Hmmmmmm 🤨

Stop being a smug ass.  I didn't say anything about the vaccine.  Most people who stamp their feet and refuse to get it are being dumb.  That isn't relevant.  

You asked about how many raw numbers was too much in response to an argument using percentages.  My point was if you're going to ask an open ended question about high raw numbers without context, someone else can do the same in the other direction.  If the US population was 1B, nearly 200k would die of the flu every year.

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Now is too late to argue about numbers and masks and vaccines etc...might as well let it run it's course and see what happens..I was talking with a medical type today ( on the phone)who is a hard core vaccine denier..religious I think..that's fine....I will never work near him and would suggest that he be fired.  His techs are terrified.  If the bug manages to mutate past the present vaccine..then......a learning experience I guess.

A riddle....On a light note I had occasion today on a looong drive to drive past the environs of P.P.  and N.P. and M.H.   pleasant memories of past adventures...

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12 minutes ago, Alpharatz said:

Now is too late to argue about numbers and masks and vaccines etc...might as well let it run it's course and see what happens..I was talking with a medical type today ( on the phone)who is a hard core vaccine denier..religious I think..that's fine....I will never work near him and would suggest that he be fired.  His techs are terrified.  If the bug manages to mutate past the present vaccine..then......a learning experience I guess.

A riddle....On a light note I had occasion today on a looong drive to drive past the environs of P.P.  and N.P. and M.H.   pleasant memories of past adventures...

It's absolutely not too late to talk about this stuff. We had covid essentially beat back in May to the point the CDC lifted masking guidance. Now hospitals are a dumpster fire again. Things change, new variants emerge, and public health guidance/medical best practices should change accordingly. What was a good idea in May might not be a good idea now.  If you think we can just let the delta variant run its course and that'll be the last we have to deal with covid, I would love some of what you're smoking. 

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39 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

Lifting mask guidance did nothing to make anything worse lol

Never said it did. Simply pointing out that we were in a very different spot a few months ago. So much so, that even the CDC let up on their masking nonsense. 

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“A former senior FDA leader told Endpoints that they’re departing because they’re frustrated that CDC and their ACIP committee are involved in decisions that they think should be up to the FDA. The former FDAer also said he’s heard they’re upset with CBER director Peter Marks for not insisting that those decisions should be kept inside FDA. What finally did it for them was the White House getting ahead of FDA on booster shots.”

 

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/marion-gruber-phil-krause-leaving-fda/605859/
 

https://endpts.com/breaking-in-a-major-blow-to-vaccine-efforts-senior-fda-leaders-stepping-down-report/

 

 

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For anyone wondering how your new COVID passport is going to work, here's the detailed guidance just published by the WHO.

It's funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, so you know it's going to work just as well as the Windows computer in your office.

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Digital_certificates-vaccination-technical_briefing-2021.1

 

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@torqued"That's a bunch of conspiracy theories. BILL GATES? The computer guy? PA-lease. Turn off Alex Jones. Snopes says it's false. Anyway, I can't debate you right now, my wife's boyfriend is picking me up from my 5th booster shot then we're all gonna watch the new Marvel movie. I'm Ridin' with Biden." -sincerely, every pu*sy in this thread.

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2 hours ago, pawnman said:

First Marine booted from the service for refusing to get vaccinated or wear a mask. 

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/08/31/marine-corporal-discharged-over-refusal-wear-mask.html/

Good luck with those religious exemptions. 

There are already a few exemptions that exist for the COVID vaccine mandate in the military, so chill out dude.

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9 hours ago, torqued said:

For anyone wondering how your new COVID passport is going to work, here's the detailed guidance just published by the WHO.

It's funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, so you know it's going to work just as well as the Windows computer in your office.

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Digital_certificates-vaccination-technical_briefing-2021.1

 

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Meh. The one we got in Europe is fairly simple. Literally a QR code to be scanned. Not difficult at all. 

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3 hours ago, war007afa said:

Meh. The one we got in Europe is fairly simple. Literally a QR code to be scanned. Not difficult at all. 

Not sure which one you have, but the NHS passport app's most recent privacy notice advises the user that the app collects and stores a vast amount of "special category" information for Track and Trace. It's worth looking into.

As you read this, please realize I'm not into conspiracy theories. I just want to know what we're getting into. I don't go to crazy-eyed right wing websites for this info or editorials about how we're all becoming slaves, I go to the source that anyone can access today, and am posting what these legitimate organizations and individuals themselves are openly saying. If you agree with all of this, go get the app. You may be scanning a simple QR, but there's a lot more to it. I do have a hard time believing that people are ok with all of the below. I think it's just that they're too apathetic to read the fine print.

It's all apathy. And, of course: "If I'm doing nothing wrong, then I have nothing to hide."

Check out the list, it's amazing. Read the entire page, including the private companies the government will be sending their citizens' data to. This is what is coming here. The attached screenshots are from this website: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-privacy-information/test-and-trace-overarching-privacy-notice

 

 

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8 hours ago, Kenny Powers said:

There are already a few exemptions that exist for the COVID vaccine mandate in the military, so chill out dude.

By all means, make the attempt. But maybe wear your mask until the exemption goes through. 

 

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Maybe I have no spine, but I just can't imagine sacrificing my military career over wearing a mask. She got a general discharge under honorable conditions, so maybe she gets to keep benefits?

My favorite part:

"McHaffie did not have an explanation as to why she accepted the other mandatory vaccines as part of her service, but rejected the COVID-19 vaccine, when asked by Military.com."

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5 hours ago, torqued said:

This is not a theory. 

Read this carefully. This is at our doorstep.

Not from a fringe website. From The Atlantic. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619940/


 

 

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The Aussies have gone off the deep end WRT COVID. Airline crew laying over in SYD are literally escorted to their hotel rooms by armed guards. The country mishandled vaccine rollout badly and has no viable plan to open its economy back up anytime within the next year. People there were lulled into a false sense of security by low case loads pre-delta. Now that Delta is running rampant, they’re shocked by their own lack of planning. 

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3 hours ago, Splash95 said:

Scary stuff.

Indeed.

I'd be interested to know more about how the Aussie police force is used in these scenarios. 

I'm no expert on the law enforcement field, but here in the left-wing utopia of Chicago, the local PD has gone on record at being vehemently opposed to any kind of vax mandate.  Very early on in the covid shenanigans, they half-heartedly enforced the mayor's rules on closures and the like, but that quickly evaporated.

Wonder if things are different wrt the Aussie police force?

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