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7 hours ago, joe1234 said:

And in a brilliant act of defiance against what he perceives to be a massive overreach of government by mandating vaccines, the governor of Texas engages in a massive overreach of government himself by banning private businesses from issuing mandates.

You just have to appreciate the irony.

I wonder how all the folks cheering Abbott would feel if California banned companies from drug testing employees.  

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37 minutes ago, pawnman said:

I wonder how all the folks cheering Abbott would feel if California banned companies from drug testing employees.  

Depends. The relationship with government and business is a tough issue. On one hand my libertarian side says government shouldnt get involved. On the other, I don't want to go back to businesses lawfully being allowed to discriminate based on race/other factors, just because it's the business owners right. Personally, I could care less if drug testing was banned because I could care less if people do drugs. But none of these are apples to apples comparison. 

Big picture, my opinion, SWA has the right to mandate the vaccine if that's what their board wants. But the unions absolutely have a right to strike and leave SWA on its ass in the middle of a labor shortage as well. SWA needs to figure out how to balance that. 

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44 minutes ago, FLEA said:

Depends. The relationship with government and business is a tough issue. On one hand my libertarian side says government shouldnt get involved. On the other, I don't want to go back to businesses lawfully being allowed to discriminate based on race/other factors, just because it's the business owners right. Personally, I could care less if drug testing was banned because I could care less if people do drugs. But none of these are apples to apples comparison. 

Big picture, my opinion, SWA has the right to mandate the vaccine if that's what their board wants. But the unions absolutely have a right to strike and leave SWA on its ass in the middle of a labor shortage as well. SWA needs to figure out how to balance that. 

Way to twist yourself around this one. First you equate business’ vaccine mandates to racial discrimination? Sorry. Not even close. Offensive to those groups who really have been discriminated against. Second, you say you could care less whether people do drugs. Utter bullshit. I bet you’d care a lot if some meth addled truck driver mowed down somebody you loved. Third, you say SWAPA should be allowed to strike based on SWA’s mandate which makes me wonder if you’ve ever heard of the RLA or have the slightest clue how airline union negotiations work. 

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25 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Way to twist yourself around this one. First you equate business’ vaccine mandates to racial discrimination? Sorry. Not even close. Offensive to those groups who really have been discriminated against. Second, you say you could care less whether people do drugs. Utter bullshit. I bet you’d care a lot if some meth addled truck driver mowed down somebody you loved. Third, you say SWAPA should be allowed to strike based on SWA’s mandate which makes me wonder if you’ve ever heard of the RLA or have the slightest clue how airline union negotiations work. 

I think I confused you with my answer. To be clear, I dont think Abbot should have made a mandate. My whole point is, keep shit at the lowest level and keep the government out. It's a corporate/labor dispute like anything else. Unless there is criminal conduct, just let it go. 

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13 minutes ago, FLEA said:

I think I confused you with my answer. To be clear, I dont think Abbot should have made a mandate. My whole point is, keep shit at the lowest level and keep the government out. It's a corporate/labor dispute like anything else. Unless there is criminal conduct, just let it go. 

Thanks for the clarification. I think we mostly agree & I probably read a little too much into your earlier post. 🍻 

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6 hours ago, pawnman said:

I wonder how all the folks cheering Abbott would feel if California banned companies from drug testing employees.  

Drug testing someone causes irreversible medical changes to the person’s body?

 

1 hour ago, arg said:

Got the notice from the company. Shot or fired. Not sure what I’m going to do yet. Leaning towards the J&J if I go that route. Don’t recall anyone here mentioning that they got the J&J.


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You’re going to sell yourself out for a paycheck and take the clotshot? 

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1 hour ago, arg said:

Got the notice from the company. Shot or fired. Not sure what I’m going to do yet. Leaning towards the J&J if I go that route. Don’t recall anyone here mentioning that they got the J&J.

My wife & I both got it.

It’s fine I guess.  Felt a bit under the weather for a day then got over it, NBD.   We both still got COVID afterwards so it’s totally bogus, but that’s par for the course on this issue.  If you’re just looking to check the box, J&J does it faster than the others.  

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13 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

My wife & I both got it.

It’s fine I guess.  Felt a bit under the weather for a day then got over it, NBD.   We both still got COVID afterwards so it’s totally bogus, but that’s par for the course on this issue.  If you’re just looking to check the box, J&J does it faster than the others.  

And it's not mRNA if you're concerned about "gene therapy".

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Got the notice from the company. Shot or fired. Not sure what I’m going to do yet. Leaning towards the J&J if I go that route. Don’t recall anyone here mentioning that they got the J&J.


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Barely noticeable side effects the day after for me. Might have been what I ate that day as far as I know. In addition to being only one shot, some studies have shown it’s the most effective for people who already had COVID, but there are so many conflicting studies that who knows anymore.


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Also got a lengthy e-mail today from my employer about the vaccine requirement, including the 8 Dec deadline.  @arg, maybe we work for the same place.  Lots of mealy-mouthed language, including this fun bit (emphasis mine):

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"Currently, third shots or so-called booster shots are not considered part of the federal mandate, although that could change over time."

Really begs the question (again), of "where does this all stop?"

  • Two weeks to "slow the spread."
  • It's just a mask
  • It's just two shots
  • etc.

Edit to add: Maybe that's the point.  There is no end.  Make your choice for getting the vax now, and plan on continuing to get shots/pills/etc. as Uncle Sam dictates.  Or, say no, and plan to be ostracized from participating in a large portion of corporate America.

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I'm trying to remember if the pushback was this bad when they mandated the Anthrax vaccine a minute or two ago.  I got 9 rounds of that burning hotness and never heard a peep about how experimental is was or not.  Did guys quit the military over that thing too?  I was too focused on flying and deploying to really care at the time.

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37 minutes ago, Blue said:

Also got a lengthy e-mail today from my employer about the vaccine requirement, including the 8 Dec deadline.  @arg, maybe we work for the same place.  Lots of mealy-mouthed language, including this fun bit (emphasis mine):

Really begs the question (again), of "where does this all stop?"

Two weeks to "slow the spread."

It's just a mask

It's just two shots

etc.

Congratulations on unplugging the Matrix. Welcome. We have work to do.

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11 minutes ago, FourFans130 said:

I'm trying to remember if the pushback was this bad when they mandated the Anthrax vaccine a minute or two ago.  I got 9 rounds of that burning hotness and never heard a peep about how experimental is was or not.  Did guys quit the military over that thing too?  I was too focused on flying and deploying to really care at the time.

There were several law suits in the late 90s and dudes were kicked out. Some dudes actually won their lawsuits and the anthrax vaccine went away for a bit until it got some new labeling/certification. Came back in early 2000s after the anthrax mail attacks, which ironically, were sent by the dude who invented the vaccine because he was angry the military stopped mandating the vaccine. (No shit look it up). We didn't know that at the time though and his identity wasn't known until a decade later, at which point he committed suicide before he ever faced justice. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins

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7 minutes ago, FourFans130 said:

I'm trying to remember if the pushback was this bad when they mandated the Anthrax vaccine a minute or two ago.  I got 9 rounds of that burning hotness and never heard a peep about how experimental is was or not.  Did guys quit the military over that thing too?  I was too focused on flying and deploying to really care at the time.

Quick two bits:

1. Trust was much higher in the institutions back then.

2. It wasn’t a genetic editing drug.

Yes some quit the military. I wish I could focus only on flying, but that pesky oath of office thing and our Constitution keeps ringing in my ears for some reason. Almost as if a million dead service-members are crying out for us to not surrender our liberty.

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2 minutes ago, FLEA said:

There were several law suits in the late 90s and dudes were kicked out. Some dudes actually won their lawsuits and the anthrax vaccine went away for a bit until it got some new labeling/certification. Came back in early 2000s after the anthrax mail attacks, which ironically, were sent by the dude who invented the vaccine because he was angry the military stopped mandating the vaccine. (No shit look it up). We didn't know that at the time though and his identity wasn't known until a decade later, at which point he committed suicide before he ever faced justice. 

No, that’s a far right conspiracy theory. You’re Q-tarded. Literally impossible. A credentialed scientist wouldn’t do that. Hey did you watch the big Sportsball game ™️ last weekend?

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13 hours ago, pawnman said:

I wonder how all the folks cheering Abbott would feel if California banned companies from drug testing employees.  

I have zero issues with private companies requiring the vaccine or mandating or forgoing* drug testing.  I have every issue with government overreach and mandates. 

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So I saw a video where the president said, "You know who has vaccine mandates? Fox News." Then he proceeded to smirk as if it were a joke. 

Making light of the fact that he is forcing individuals to either maintain their body autonomy for a vaccine, that isn't actually functioning as a vaccine and won't finish clinical trials for another year, or being able to provide for their family is probably one of the shadiest things I've seen of any of our leaders in recent times. 

 

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21 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

So I saw a video where the president said, "You know who has vaccine mandates? Fox News." Then he proceeded to smirk as if it were a joke. 

Making light of the fact that he is forcing individuals to either maintain their body autonomy for a vaccine, that isn't actually functioning as a vaccine and won't finish clinical trials for another year, or being able to provide for their family is probably one of the shadiest things I've seen of any of our leaders in recent times. 

 

Gross. Even grosser quote “my job as president is to protect the citizens”. No it’s f***ing not dumb s***t, it’s to protect our rights. Read the Dec. of Ind. for Christ’s sake. “…that to secure these rights….” Someone has their hand so far up Biden’s a** I’m surprised we don’t see their fingers when he opens his mouth. Honestly, Declaration of Independence 2.0 is in order.

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2 hours ago, glockenspiel said:

Gross. Even grosser quote “my job as president is to protect the citizens”. No it’s f***ing not dumb s***t, it’s to protect our rights. Read the Dec. of Ind. for Christ’s sake. “…that to secure these rights….” Someone has their hand so far up Biden’s a** I’m surprised we don’t see their fingers when he opens his mouth. Honestly, Declaration of Independence 2.0 is in order.

We’re gonna run out of rope.

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3 hours ago, glockenspiel said:

Gross. Even grosser quote “my job as president is to protect the citizens”. No it’s f***ing not dumb s***t, it’s to protect our rights. Read the Dec. of Ind. for Christ’s sake. “…that to secure these rights….” Someone has their hand so far up Biden’s a** I’m surprised we don’t see their fingers when he opens his mouth. Honestly, Declaration of Independence 2.0 is in order.

A 3rd grader could see he isn’t running the country, someone else is.  I don’t think it’s Kamala either which is even scarier. When he “resigns”, and he will sooner than most expect, she won’t either.  That’s why they hated Trump, no one could control him.  That’s what this country needs to not be on a warpath towards speaking Mandarin, maybe someone a little classier, eloquent and unifying. 
 

Biden doesn’t believe half this crap, he’s just doing what he’s told by his handlers. 

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