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47 minutes ago, dogfish78 said:

No disrespect, but is this new news to you about YouTube (owned by Google, owned by Alphabet Inc., funded by the C.I.A.) censoring videos? The reason I ask is because I’ve known about it for years now, but it’s interesting when others say they’re just now noticing it. I don’t take it against the individual, but it’s appalling the level of information control they have over the individual especially as algorithms are doing most of the work censoring.

 

1 hour ago, arg said:

I'm with Dogfish - This has been blatantly obvious all over every aspect of social media. 

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3 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

 

I'm with Dogfish - This has been blatantly obvious all over every aspect of social media. 

I'm aware, question was rhetorical/sarcastic.

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Despite all the in-fighting and racism talk (really?!) this thread has generated, does anyone personally know of anyone who has walked away from military service because of this mandate?  I know the Air Force deadlines are a month or two away (depending on status), but I haven't seen any hard lines drawn so far.  Mostly just "news" stories about half of Seal Team Six quitting....  

 

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1 minute ago, FUSEPLUG said:

Despite all the in-fighting and racism talk (really?!) this thread has generated, does anyone personally know of anyone who has walked away from military service because of this mandate?  I know the Air Force deadlines are a month or two away (depending on status), but I haven't seen any hard lines drawn so far.  Mostly just "news" stories about half of Seal Team Six quitting....  

 

Last story I saw had 94% of the Air Force getting at least one dose of the vaccine.  So few and far between would be my guess.

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Jazz dude. Please explain how correcting peoples use of the often incorrectly used word racist means that we need diversity training? How does me agreeing that it’s a bad word and I don’t use it nor agree with its usage mean we need diversity training?

You can’t lump what he did into a broad spectrum definition of racial or ethic prejudice or intolerance and then say he is racist for using a word that doesn’t describe race.

If someone used a slur against me that didn’t apply to me and they were trying to use it in a racist way when it clearly can’t be by definition that would just make me turn inward and laugh at how stupid that person is. Not take offense for their poor use of language.

I think people often forget that the constitution and bill of rights don’t give you the right to not be offended. In fact if that were a thing, we wouldn’t be the country with the most freedom of speech in the world. Because to have open dialog you have to risk offending the other person because of their beliefs.



Fine, he's not a racist by your definition, but a bigoted ass. Just as bad on my book. The "not technically a racist" argument is garbage and misses the point that you shouldn't tolerate denegrating people solely for what they look like.

Diversity training is being forced on us because there's a perception that we couldn't provide protections for federally protected categories, including race, ethnicity, sex, national origin, etc, on our own in the military, so now it gets Congressional attention.

Plus, if a person is trying to denegrate you got how you look, they don't really care if they used the "right" slur, the intent is to denegrate you and make you feel like crap.

But you're right, nothing protects us from being offended or made to feel uncomfortable. Until it's been brought into work, in which case there are legal protections, especially in government service.

"But BO.net is basically bar banter.". Yeah, but those opinions don't magically change in the office. Maybe better hidden, but still there, and can be hard to prove that people get screwed over.

As officers and leaders within the military, we need to ensure this crap isn't tolerated in our ranks so we can ensure we present the best fighting force we can, and not allowing personal prejudices on protected categories influence the meritocracy we strive for in the military. We shouldn't tolerate people who degenerating others based on their race/ethnicity/national origin/sex/etc within our ranks, both on or off duty.

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1 hour ago, jazzdude said:

 


Fine, he's not a racist by your definition, but a bigoted ass. Just as bad on my book. The "not technically a racist" argument is garbage and misses the point that you shouldn't tolerate denegrating people solely for what they look like.

Diversity training is being forced on us because there's a perception that we couldn't provide protections for federally protected categories, including race, ethnicity, sex, national Oregon, etc, on our own in the military, so now it gets Congressional attention.

Plus, if a person is trying to denegrate you got how you look, they don't really care if they used the "right" slur, the intent is to denegrate you and make you feel like crap.

But you're right, nothing protects us from being offended or made to feel uncomfortable. Until it's been brought into work, in which case there are legal protections, especially in government service.

"But BO.net is basically bar banter.". Yeah, but those opinions don't magically change in the office. Maybe better hidden, but still there, and can be hard to prove that people get screwed over.

As officers and leaders within the military, we need to ensure this crap isn't tolerated in our ranks so we can ensure we present the best fighting force we can, and not allowing personal prejudices on protected categories influence the meritocracy we strive for in the military. We shouldn't tolerate people who degenerating others based on their race/ethnicity/national origin/sex/etc within our ranks, both on or off duty.

 

Amen

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On 9/30/2021 at 8:28 PM, Buddy Spike said:

It’s gone so I can’t go back and look, but IIRC it was directed at China, not “Asian persuasion,” since it was in the context of the Wuhan Virus.  I could be wrong, though.  I think we throw around “racist” far too much.    

The dude said a slur that’s directed at Asian people, Chinese or otherwise. Period. I’m Asian. Its fu*king racist. 

 

On 9/30/2021 at 6:45 PM, bfargin said:

Holy shiite this thread is scaring me. I can't believe this group has so many authoritarians in it. I assumed we were all Americans and mostly military members or at least members who served and swore an oath to defend the constitution. Some of you are straight out militant on your authoritarianism. Hopefully you are talking shit like you are sitting at a bar, otherwise you should be separated immediately and not placed any any senior level position.

Calling someone that isn’t your run of the mill shit talk.  If someone said that slur to me while sitting at the Sq bar, I’d punch them in the mouth. 

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12 hours ago, M2 said:

Better than being attacked by a Ninja at Inyokern !

C’mon brown. - me after hearing a single dude with a sword caused everybody to SIP and then walk away after. 

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Heard an interesting theory. Since those who have the vaccine are 27 times more likely to get covid again (even without symptoms) that this spike could be due to the vaccinated unknowingly spreading covid because they don’t know they have it and don’t care to wear a mask because they think they can’t spread it even though science says otherwise.

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Calling someone that isn’t your run of the mill shit talk.  If someone said that slur to me while sitting at the Sq bar, I’d punch them in the mouth. 

Fully support your right to hit him and be pissed if he called you that word. I don’t think anyone is arguing otherwise.
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11 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Heard an interesting theory. Since those who have the vaccine are 27 times more likely to get covid again (even without symptoms) that this spike could be due to the vaccinated unknowingly spreading covid because they don’t know they have it and don’t care to wear a mask because they think they can’t spread it even though science says otherwise.

Or people are just tired of being jerked around by the government and clowns such as Faucci! “Trust the experts you anti vaccer extremists!!” What happens when “the experts” get lobbied heavily by the known corrupt pharmaceutical industry.  Maybe if the average citizen trusted this inept government more we would have more cohesion with regards to Covid. 
 

I am fully vaccinated and wear a mask when I’m told but I’m getting tired of this BS overreach like most Americans.

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25 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Since those who have the vaccine are 27 times more likely to get covid again

Source? Ya know, when you hear shocking numbers like that, most of the time it’s worth doing a little research. I don’t believe that stat for a second. All of the information & data I’ve seen suggests that you are many times less likely to get COVID after being vaccinated. I’d love to see the “source” that’s peddling the bullshit that you insist on spreading here. Oh I know, I know: the media & big pharma’s in bed with the FDA & uncle Joe & the Gates/Clinton/Epstein cabal so who can you really trust other than what what you hear on bitchute and 4chan, right?

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3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Meanwhile in Florida…

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It’s a lagging indicator that Florida has been particularly bad at. No surprise that conservative media skews this data, intentionally.

I encourage you to check this yourself.

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me: “Take your medicine so mine works lol” 

 response: “it’s not so simple, your choice is unvaccinated persons are the ones spreading the disease, you can infect me. ”

me: “ I already had the disease so I am protected. Aren’t all vaccines based off of natural immunity? Can’t vaccinated people spread Cv19 as well? ” 

response: “but in Kentucky they did a study, look here: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html” 

me: “there were no patient outcomes in the study, also there was no tracking of total PCR tests given to the two patient populations. Aren’t those important numbers to know? Also they are revoking the PCR test in December. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
why? Also significant data from Israel suggests that natural immunity is better than uninfected vaccinated persons. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

response: “ but there was an increase in immunity after 1 dose of the Pfizer vaccine in the Israel study.”

me: “ yes there was but the mandate is for two shot of Pfizer. Where is the data showing that two doses of Pfizer grants increased immunity?”

response: “ … but the hospitals will be overrun. The only risk factor that matters right now is vaccination status. We should even consider not treating the unvaccinated. Just take the vaccine man. Plus they did a study with a 72 people and 1/3 of those previously infected did not meet the threshold they established to indicated immunity https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article” 

me: “ 72 people is 72 people….  Not the biggest study eh? Aren’t other risk factors like physical fitness, diet, sun exposure, life style etc?

shouldn't there be a burden of proof that the vaccine benefits the previously infected before we mandate it for those people? What about VAERS data? https://openvaers.com/ Isn’t there is risk associated with every medical intervention”.

response: “ trust the science man. All VAERS data is unverified. “ 

me: “ what? 6k Americans have reportedly died soon after the vaccine. Isn’t that worth investigating? Is there a report that outlines the FDAs findings to these cases? 

response: “Anyone can fill those reports out, it could be Alex Jones and big, umm, big, ah, Quanon people that are filling those out. Im sure you believe in that stuff.” 

me: “ no I don’t believe in that stuff. Just trying to get to the bottom of natural immunity and vaccine safety. Aren’t those important aspects of CV19? What about personal autonomy and liberty? ” 

Response: “ trust the science. Vaccines are seatbelts but they inject the seatbelt into your body and you can’t remove the seatbelt. Also, This isn’t about personal liberty.”

me: “ the rest of my posts will add nothing to the conversation so I will be communicating in memes only… 

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1 hour ago, glockenspiel said:

Also significant data from Israel suggests that natural immunity is better than uninfected vaccinated persons. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

response: “ but there was an increase in immunity after 1 dose of the Pfizer vaccine in the Israel study.”

Just read the Israeli study, convincing enough to me that natural immunity should be treated similarly to vaccination if you have the antibodies.  If the antibodies were permanent (which they are not) I would support an exemption for mandatory vaccination in the military if you have natural immunity. Though as this transitions to an endemic there will likely be an annual vax requirement similar to the flu. 

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2 hours ago, Negatory said:

It’s a lagging indicator that Florida has been particularly bad at. No surprise that conservative media skews this data, intentionally.

I encourage you to check this yourself.

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florida is one of MANY examples of cases that come down naturally. It's not "conservative media skews" lol

anyone hear anything about India recently? crickets. how about the nordic countries? crickets. it's all complete bull shit and a massive power grab/money grab.

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1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

florida is one of MANY examples of cases that come down naturally. It's not "conservative media skews" lol

anyone hear anything about India recently? crickets. how about the nordic countries? crickets. it's all complete bull shit and a massive power grab/money grab.

Cases are coming down naturally. But Florida in particular is such a bad example because they criminally underreport in comparison to most other places. For reference, they have only claimed 2 deaths for yesterday, which is guaranteed to be off by an order of magnitude my friend.

And your examples of other countries don’t affect the data that show that, in the USA, we are pretty damn close to peak deaths in the delta surge right now.

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