Clark Griswold Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 https://www.stripes.com/branches/air_force/2021-11-10/air-force-seaplanes-special-operations-command-japan-3563136.html Interesting AFSOC visit to the Land of the Rising SunNiceRunway independence has a nice ring to it also Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arg Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Another problem is the pilots will have to learn Japanese to read the gauges. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 4:21 PM, DirkDiggler said: AFSOC is a C-130 command; the Pave Low/CV-22 mafia, AC-130, and MC-130 and this group exerts a huge influence in what happens within the command. FIFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkDiggler Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 On 11/19/2021 at 7:56 PM, contraildash said: FIFY Lol agree to disagree, at least for the present. Last two AFSOC/CCs have been Pave guys. As that generation retires and with the pending "long term storage" of a big chunk of the CV-22 fleet, that dynamic will probably shift but its definitely here for the present. Going forward, I'll be interested to see how the RPA and U-28 communities influence the higher up AFSOC hierarchy, but I'll probably be a Mr. long before then (interesting side note, Slife has been pushing STO guys into some Grp and the AFSOC A3 position, not sure if that trend will continue once he's on to bigger things). Break Break Clark Griswold, you wanna post your top names for this new seaplane? Here's mine, in no particular order 1. Typhoon (harkens back to British aircraft in WWII) 2. Sea Witch (goes back to Russian WWII Night Witches) 3. Sea Drag-in (those big draggy floats....GET IT!!....I'll be here all day) 4. BUWF--Big Ugly Walrus Fucker (unlikely I admit, but I'm a Broken Lizard fan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted November 21, 2021 Author Share Posted November 21, 2021 Lol agree to disagree, at least for the present. Last two AFSOC/CCs have been Pave guys. As that generation retires and with the pending "long term storage" of a big chunk of the CV-22 fleet, that dynamic will probably shift but its definitely here for the present. Going forward, I'll be interested to see how the RPA and U-28 communities influence the higher up AFSOC hierarchy, but I'll probably be a Mr. long before then (interesting side note, Slife has been pushing STO guys into some Grp and the AFSOC A3 position, not sure if that trend will continue once he's on to bigger things). Break Break Clark Griswold, you wanna post your top names for this new seaplane? Here's mine, in no particular order 1. Typhoon (harkens back to British aircraft in WWII) 2. Sea Witch (goes back to Russian WWII Night Witches) 3. Sea Drag-in (those big draggy floats....GET IT!!....I'll be here all day) 4. BUWF--Big Ugly Walrus er (unlikely I admit, but I'm a Broken Lizard fan)Greek mythology was my favorite elective so I’ve got a soft spot sts for classical references, my vote OdysseusHe wandered the sea on a mission and got out of some tough spots That’s my rationale Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) I hope this happens… https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/31162-why-is-australia-returning-to-a-70-year-old-seaplane?fbclid=IwAR3IHepbMggYO1S0Yq-eS9B7_HR8CuREdBNbBDs4bvOciv1VeE9IunxbMWw Company website on vaporware (as of now) revived Albatross G-111T — Amphibian Aerospace Industries (amphibaircraft.com) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 9, 2022 by Clark Griswold added company website 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Plenty of opportunity out there already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 20 hours ago, skibum said: Plenty of opportunity out there already... True To get it to happen (a US military seaplane) I think the requirement needs to be stated as a military, humanitarian and law enforcement requirement. Military support to those not explicitly military missions stated formally as a military responsibility as those missions will be ad hoc as needed and the military mission will be stated as capability to be kept at the ready at all times. As it is an expensive platform and has a niche capability it has to have a strong argument for it, looking at the likelihood of military contingencies in the Pacific along with sea based or coastal areas in crisis (NEOs, mass migration events, piracy, illegal fishing, territorial aggression on disputed islands, etc…) in other areas like the Caribbean, Mediterranean and Baltic, there is a legitimate argument for acquiring a capability to infiltrate/exfiltrate X sized military force or securely move X people into/out of a crisis area. What that requirement is - X people, X lbs of gear, X range, etc… is a great 6.9 billion dollar question… A WAG at what could be a feasible capability to maintain would be 40-50 Shinmaywa US-2 seaplanes in 3-4 squadrons/dets; 2 Pacific based in Australia and Japan, 1 Europe based in Italy and possibly 1 based in Alaska primarily focused on Arctic ops but could also support Indo-Pacific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clark Griswold Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just saw this, seems like this is gonna happen Looking at this rendering which seems pretty close to what I'd imagine a real MAC 130 would look life IRL, could you drive that on to beach, embark / disembark troops / vehicles then launch again from that beach? Just considering it, high floatation tires in a side by side truck disperse enough weight to not get sunk / stuck on sand that's fairly compacted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJay Pilot Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Clark Griswold said: Just saw this, seems like this is gonna happen Looking at this rendering which seems pretty close to what I'd imagine a real MAC 130 would look life IRL, could you drive that on to beach, embark / disembark troops / vehicles then launch again from that beach? Just considering it, high floatation tires in a side by side truck disperse enough weight to not get sunk / stuck on sand that's fairly compacted? Disembarking troops from the crew entrance door would take FOR-EV-ER. Plus, if the beach is wide enough to taxi onto, regular MC-130’s can land on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkPerfMan Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, McJay Pilot said: Disembarking troops from the crew entrance door would take FOR-EV-ER. Plus, if the beach is wide enough to taxi onto, regular MC-130’s can land on it. I'm all for a "flying boat" C-130, but it can already hit the beach... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 26 minutes ago, HerkPerfMan said: I'm all for a "flying boat" C-130, but it can already hit the beach... Cool video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arg Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, McJay Pilot said: Disembarking troops from the crew entrance door would take FOR-EV-ER. Plus, if the beach is wide enough to taxi onto, regular MC-130’s can land on it. Who's first to land on Navarre beach? Bonus points if you land just east of Navarre beach, that's where the Nekid beach is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Disembarking troops from the crew entrance door would take FOR-EV-ER. Plus, if the beach is wide enough to taxi onto, regular MC-130’s can land on it.I think it will still have its ramp but I should have been more specific, I was envisioning a scenario where the beach is not suitable for landing necessitating a water landing and beaching to offloadSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJay Pilot Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Clark Griswold said: I think it will still have its ramp but I should have been more specific, I was envisioning a scenario where the beach is not suitable for landing necessitating a water landing and beaching to offload Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Fair enough. Combat offloads for all my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrndPndr Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 12 hours ago, Clark Griswold said: I think it will still have its ramp but I should have been more specific, I was envisioning a scenario where the beach is not suitable for landing necessitating a water landing and beaching to offload Sounds like lots of fishing poles and water skis. Fast taxi for water skiing (maybe two engines only for that). Maybe get MX to make a special water-ski/Surf board rack. Speaking of racks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Serious concerns about VMCA using dual pontoons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizzle Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: Serious concerns about VMCA using dual pontoons... But digital modeling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Serious concerns about VMCA using dual pontoons...Software change / update for the ATCS to deal with Vmca issues if it is above rotation speed? No sea or float plane experience but I’m guessing there is a maximum in water taxi-takeoff-landing speed that is above but likely close to rotation or landing speeds so delaying rotation to get faster but still skiing in the water is likely not possible US-2 has a BLC system, can that be adjusted automatically to prevent roll over before full aerodynamic control effectiveness has been reached in a asymmetric thrust of flight control situation? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 11/6/2021 at 4:21 PM, DirkDiggler said: AFSOC is a very tribal incestuous command; the Pave Low/CV-22 mafia, AC-130, and MC-130 groups exert a huge influence in what happens within the command. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 Float C-130 taking a few laps in development https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/mc-130j-seaplane-wont-fly-for-two-to-three-more-yearsDefine requirement, acquire low risk already flying US-2, profit Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 One more: Heavy lift capability concepts https://spectrum.ieee.org/darpa-liberty-lifter-2659392219 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkDiggler Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Clark Griswold said: Float C-130 taking a few laps in development https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/mc-130j-seaplane-wont-fly-for-two-to-three-more-years Define requirement, acquire low risk already flying US-2, profit Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It’s pretty much dead at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 It’s pretty much dead at this point.FiguresThe concept art was cool, the concept not necessarily crazy but if you really want a seaplane just got get a plane that was built as a seaplane A Fiero with a fiberglass Lamborghini body kit is still ultimately a FieroSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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