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1 hour ago, CaptainMorgan said:

Continuation is offered after being non-selected above the zone. If the zone is expanded to encompass 5 years, you won’t be non-select above the zone until your 6th look. They have not implemented the 5 year zones yet, but there’s a good chance they will for 2022.


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I have a feeling that they will interpret the regulations to hold a continuation board at 2 years into the 5 year window. 

Otherwise, the vast majority of majors are in sanctuary at the 6th year look.  If this is the case, the major rank will become heavy and promotion rates to major will have to fall.

I also think AFPC has been intentionally quiet on the subject because they have no idea how to handle it. 

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5 hours ago, BeefBears said:

I have a feeling that they will interpret the regulations to hold a continuation board at 2 years into the 5 year window. 

Otherwise, the vast majority of majors are in sanctuary at the 6th year look.  If this is the case, the major rank will become heavy and promotion rates to major will have to fall.

I also think AFPC has been intentionally quiet on the subject because they have no idea how to handle it. 

I believe some would say that is a feature and not a glitch.  This way you can have the shiny penny Major's fill the staff and school slots, get promoted to Lt. Col, and be on their merry way to CSAF.

In the meantime how long will the USAF be able to string people along as Majors on AD with 5 shots at Lt. Col before the USAF exercises a forcing function?

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On 5/14/2021 at 9:33 PM, BeefBears said:

 

I also think AFPC has been intentionally quiet on the subject because they have no idea how to handle it. 

I actually think this a major reason they haven't implemented the 5 year window.  They don't know how to handle the continuation/ twice passed over piece.

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I actually think this a major reason they haven't implemented the 5 year window.  They don't know how to handle the continuation/ twice passed over piece.


It also messes up how they manage officers in general, which is by year groups. Including when people are eligible for different schools (not just PME, but also things like WIC, TPS, etc).

Although in theory, we used to have a 4ish year promotion zone for O-5+, just earlier in the timeline (2BPZ - 1APZ vs IPZ + 4 years), so maybe the problem isn't as hard to solve.

But you're also right, what do you do with a captain going in for their 3rd/4th/5th look to major? What's their career look like? Especially when the current yardstick for a "successful" career in AFPC's viewpoint is Lt Col by 20 years? Would those officer *want* to stay in anyways, versus taking outside employment opportunities?
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2 hours ago, jazzdude said:

the current yardstick for a "successful" career in AFPC's viewpoint is Lt Col by 20 years? 

Moving the pole year, the 5 year promotion window, etc are all geared towards slowing everything down, giving folks more time to live a different career path and generally stop making everyone play the game of trying to make it to the flag ranks.

However, there's a lot of "stuff" to figure out. whether that's policy, re-writing AFI or complying with law.  Time will tell how it plays out.  

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Any Prior E Majors out there from the 2004/2005 year groups? Or friends of?

 What did AFPC offer you when passed over for Lt Col x 2 & at 20 yes complete?

I’m trying to predict what type of continuation (or lack of) I’ll be offered soon. If it’s only 20 TAFMS (Total Active Fed Military Service) I’ll be retiring since I’m already there.

If it’s 20 or 24 commissioned, I’ll have a big decision to make.

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1 hour ago, Oldtanker said:

Any Prior E Majors out there from the 2004/2005 year groups? Or friends of?

 What did AFPC offer you when passed over for Lt Col x 2 & at 20 yes complete?

I’m trying to predict what type of continuation (or lack of) I’ll be offered soon. If it’s only 20 TAFMS (Total Active Fed Military Service) I’ll be retiring since I’m already there.

If it’s 20 or 24 commissioned, I’ll have a big decision to make.

20 Commissioned.  We just retired a passed over prior-e major out of my office with 29 TAFMS.

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Does anyone have a template for a memo to the board to not be considered for promotion?
Or--is a simple "Please do not consider me for promotion. Thanks." enough?
I'll take that "get out of jail free" card a year early, please.


That’s it. But be careful. I know people who have done it and later regretted it. YMMV.
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On 7/13/2021 at 10:03 AM, RedEye1911 said:

Regretted it in what way?

Covid hit, and their job on the outside no longer existed..bit a few folks in the ass who did what you are suggesting.  

Just my opinion, I wouldn’t turn down promotion.  There are other avenues to still get out.  What does your commitment look like? 

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If you want to get out clean, fine. If you want to join ARC, that’s fine too, but my advice is to not let it be known that you (likely) caused your own non-selection. Just say you twice failed of selection for promotion (if asked), and leave it at that. No one really “knows” what goes on at a promotion board (except for board members), so you can honestly say that you don’t know why you were passed over.

If you crow about (likely) causing your own non-selection, some individuals may have personal problems with that, such as “eff this guy for ‘gaming the system’. “

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1 minute ago, RedEye1911 said:

My ADSC goes until late 2023. If the board releases next April, I would be out by Oct 2022, so that would be one year early.

I'm not worried about finding work on the outside, not that I even think that would be an issue. I am in an extremely secure place financially.

Why would I not want to turn down promotion? I have a near-zero chance of getting promoted above the zone and am not doing anything (beyond doing the job the taxpayers pay me to do) to increase those chances. There is no incentive for me to get promoted beyond to earn a few thousand more dollars from the Air Force in exchange for another year of my life. I'm fine with treating my pilot commitment like a 9 year instead of a 10 year.

What other avenues are there to get out that you are thinking of?

Understood! Ultimately you got to do what’s best for you and your family.

However with that little time till your ADSC expires I’d ride it out.  Airline hiring will continue for several years.  On the other hand,  multiple dudes were primed to get out pre COVID then got screwed when the job they expected wasn’t there.  Those that asked not to be promoted (APZ) were forced out.  Too much risk there. You could consider palace chase, if a guard unit really wants you then the paperwork on the other side works itself out (promotion waiver), of course big blue has to let you go.  Just some things to consider that’s all. 

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1 hour ago, Chida said:

If you crow about (likely) causing your own non-selection, some individuals may have personal problems with that, such as “eff this guy for ‘gaming the system’. “

 

Say what?  If there are enough of those people (in an ARC squadron) to make a difference, then I'd seriously question that units hiring practices.  I've only known of one person who wrote the board.  He subsequently got out and was promoted to Major within a year of joining the ARC...hired by two majors as well.  Personally, I'd give them the "men at work" golf clap for realizing they're in a shitty spot, making the decision to do something about it and actually making it happen.  

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11 hours ago, RedEye1911 said:

 

 

I'm not worried about that at all. I'm fine with saying it publicly. OPRs and awards are two of the worst parts of the Air Force and it is criminal how many hours are wasted on them and how full of lies all of them are. I do not deserve to be a major in this Air Force and I do not want to be a major in this Air Force.

I’ve never seen someone who deserves to be an incredibly salty Major more than you.

Speaking of public disclosure, want to share why you feel that way?

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Covid hit, and their job on the outside no longer existed..bit a few folks in the ass who did what you are suggesting.  
Just my opinion, I wouldn’t turn down promotion.  There are other avenues to still get out.  What does your commitment look like? 


One case I’m thinking of happened a few years ago (around the time of the first VSP). A Capt wrote the board two years in a row to get out early. After his 2nd non-selection, his spouse was diagnosed with a serious (expensive) disease. He petitioned the continuation board to stay in as a Capt to 20 for the medical coverage. Had he not written the board, he likely would have promoted.

Everyone has their reasons…but sometimes things change and you can’t prepare for how they change. I’m not saying don’t write…just be prepared for everything you can think of in the transition.
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On 5/14/2021 at 4:33 AM, BeefBears said:

I have a feeling that they will interpret the regulations to hold a continuation board at 2 years into the 5 year window. 

Otherwise, the vast majority of majors are in sanctuary at the 6th year look.  If this is the case, the major rank will become heavy and promotion rates to major will have to fall.

I also think AFPC has been intentionally quiet on the subject because they have no idea how to handle it. 

Can you point me in the direction to read about sanctuary WRT active duty? When I looked into this that term was only used for ANG and Reserve. I could not find anything about sanctuary in the AD. 

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3 hours ago, QAZqaz said:

Can you point me in the direction to read about sanctuary WRT active duty? When I looked into this that term was only used for ANG and Reserve. I could not find anything about sanctuary in the AD. 

There's none. It's strictly an ARC provision

Title 10 United States Code (USC), § 12686(a) and 12646(e) establish an active duty (AD) retirement sanctuary for members of all Air Reserve Components (ARCs).

 

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Will they release before the board if it will be the 5-year look or 2-year and if continuation would be offered or not?  If so, when would they release that info?  150 days prior, etc?  Also, is the next LAF O-5 board expected to be same time frame as FY21 board?

 

TIA

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