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4 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

100% disagree. Let's just say .25% of people who caught covid died, so 25 out of 10,000 which I think is much higher than the actual fatality rate. Most of those are older people and people who have health issues, many of which were self-caused due to a variety of reasons. 

So you feel it would be better to have .24%, or 24 out of 10,000 to have adverse reactions to a vaccine they very likely don't even need, potentially causing harm to those young, healthy adults and children?

Until we start forcing people to take the vaccine at gunpoint...yeah, let's keep vaccines that save more lives than they take available to the public. 

Not to mention pulling a vaccine due to six total cases of adverse reactions inspires a whole new level of fear in medical science. 

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3 hours ago, pawnman said:

Not to mention pulling a vaccine due to six total cases of adverse reactions inspires a whole new level of fear in medical science. 

Well they do call it the "practice" of medicine and not science. The polio vaccine took over 30 years to be developed. Myself I have both shots of the Moderna , besides nausea when first taken I have had no other side affects since 25/03. The Lord willing and the river doesn't rise. With 23 years on active duty I also have a 4 page shot record to include anthrax and small pox. 

 

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Funny how if you criticize the policy on mask wear the response you receive is "Are you a doctor?!?" But criticizing the CDC and FDA on the pause in J&J vaccinations requires no such expertise.

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44 minutes ago, 1:1:1 said:

Funny how if you criticize the policy on mask wear the response you receive is "Are you a doctor?!?" But criticizing the CDC and FDA on the pause in J&J vaccinations requires no such expertise.

Because if you have a basic grasp of statistics, you can see what the data says. 

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1 hour ago, pawnman said:

Because if you have a basic grasp of statistics, you can see what the data says. 

Too bad no one at the FDA has a grasp of statistics. Hopefully Lord Fauci can weigh in so I'll know what to think.

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More data from the CDC has come out now that the vaccine has been out in the general population. 0.008% (among 66 million fully vaccinated) got COVID while 0.00056% ended up in the hospital (7% of these infections).

Article: WSJ

Now that my wife has had her first COVID vaccine dose, and gave birth to her comorbidity (his name is Dylan), we have changed our behaviors to including getting my first massage in 15 months. I'm excited to go out to a restaurant after her 2nd dose has taken full effect in a few weeks.

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12 hours ago, Snuggie said:

 

Article: WSJ

Now that my wife has had her first COVID vaccine dose, and gave birth to her comorbidity (his name is Dylan), we have changed our behaviors to including getting my first massage in 15 months. I'm excited to go out to a restaurant after her 2nd dose has taken full effect in a few weeks.

Congrats!

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/27/cdc-guidance-masks-outdoors/?utm_campaign=wp_evening_edition&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_evening&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3212fb6%2F60887b6b9d2fdae3023a859f%2F60801fdc9bbc0f65272828be%2F9%2F52%2F60887b6b9d2fdae3023a859f
 

What exactly changed here? I love how they roll this out as an incentive when it does not differ from previous CDC guidance. Moreover, they like to modify the phrase “return to normal” with “more” suggesting they may keep moving the goal posts. 

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I’ll give you that the truth may be somewhere in the middle, as there are gonna be biases either way (and both sources are biased). Only one of those sources had the quotes the American people were exposed to in their day-to-day.

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2 hours ago, Waves said:

I’ll give you that the truth may be somewhere in the middle, as there are gonna be biases either way (and both sources are biased). Only one of those sources had the quotes the American people were exposed to in their day-to-day.

I don’t understand, did you initiate this discussion to blame Trump for something?  The link you posted stretches imagination to blame the former POTUS.

Here’s an article about C19 origins with some truly good analysis and information: https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

 

 

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Yeah absolutely I did. His leadership in the moment felt just as bad, in the past, as the quotes attributed to him read right now.

And sure it might be an escape. How does origin change his ineptitude at uniting the American people in the case of conflict? This is about debriefing a lack of effective leadership.

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Ok, I’m game to hear your “debrief of lack of effective leadership.”  However for context I’d like to know three things up front:

What US elected leader did demonstrate effective leadership during the outset of C19 pandemic, or did they all initially bow to recommendations of “experts” who we know in retrospect were completely wrong (no outside transmission yet they locked us up and closed beaches, no surface spread yet they had us Clorox wiping groceries like idiots, etc.)?   I’m trying to separate your analysis of Trump’s leadership from the leadership & recommendations from Fauci, CDC, WHO, NIH, etc.

Do you acknowledge the unprecedented alliance of democratic political operatives, major media sources, and insurgent insiders within the government who conspired together to promote lies, even at the expense of hurting Americans, in order to damage  Trump politically while he was attempting to lead during the pandemic?

And finally, are you happy with our current national leadership regarding COVID; all the clarity of thought and consistency of guidance emanating from our CDC and White House?

providing your thoughts on the above questions will be helpful in filtering out genuine discussion from trolling. 

 

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It’s not a good comparison to find another leader in the US that acted better - the actual comparison is whether another national figurehead or leader of another country was better at leading. That is the only valid comparison to the US president. And I challenge you to look at New Zealand or South Korea.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/new-zealand-coronavirus-success-446192

Youll find their population isn’t split down made up party lines, they listened to science, and they’re doing a lot better - not just by Covid numbers, but by perceived national unity.

Also, I never implied that the current democratic leadership is good or better. I don’t even believe that. I sure as hell don’t think Cuomo or Newsom did a good job. What I do believe is that leadership over the last year from the United States, at a national level, was pathetic (similar to Brazil). But I guess everything now is polarized red vs blue and that’s the only lens most of you can see.

This mentality is why Liz Cheney was just ousted.

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Actually Liz Cheney was ousted because her fixation on Trump was preventing Republicans from moving on and being constructive.  The first attempt to oust her failed, this one succeeded because she proved incapable of moving forward.  People don’t like that.  It’s not usually helpful.  Might be germane to this conversation since you don’t care about current leadership and started this discussion by looking back a year…. That simply isn’t the most important and relevant thing for most of us.

I also note you chose not to comment on the massive group aligned to push lies in order to take political power away from Trump.  Yes everything is hyper partisan nowadays, to attempt leadership analysis in a vacuum discounting those variables is to guarantee an incomplete and therefore inaccurate result.  Red vs Blue isn’t the only lens I can see through, but your link was atrociously partisan followed by decrying partisanship so I’m guessing this is a troll.  

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10 hours ago, Waves said:

listened to science

For the love of the flying spaghetti monster, please stop saying this inane quasi-religious horse-shit.

Also, you place way too much credit in the hands of political "leaders" to actually influence and shape the public's opinion.  There are no JFKs in the wings, because that type of political actor is no longer possible.

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You can’t compare the US federal gov’t to US states, but you can compare the US gov’t to two nearly homogeneous countries with pretty different governmental structures/limitations than the US. Right.

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1 hour ago, raimius said:

CDC says vaccinated people don't need masks.

 

..and the talking heads explode.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/13/health/covid-cdc-mask-guidance-vaccinated-wellness/index.html

Amazing that the same people who have been telling us to "listen to the science" for the past year are now upset that the science means no more masks.

"But what about X, Y, Z?"

As if the CDC didn't have someone on staff that asked those same questions before issuing the new guidance.

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