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31 minutes ago, rancormac said:

Masks can actually make things worse....

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Used in a hospital, targeting at health care workers in high risk wards...no shit it was worse.  Does the study break down cloth masks w/ respirators and other PPE?

Do they have a controlled study of walking around Walmart with a mask?  Maybe it "can" make things better.  At the minimum it's a reminder we're not ops normal, and to take hygiene seriously.  Given folks are asymptomatic it "can" help out in the wild of the non-hospital ward, just don't touch your face.

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52 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

Any cloth covering. I'm sure the shoe clerks will decide coyote-brown is the only approved color. Cause they can make it more restrictive you know

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So are we getting a one-time uniform allowance for this or what?

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So if you live on base and go for a solo run you have to wear a t-shirt or bandanna around your face?
Thankfully I don’t live on base. 
Based on the memo, it seems it's only required for when you can't maintain the 6 feet social distancing. Though CDC is recommending 6 feet plus the mask
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1 hour ago, rancormac said:

Masks can actually make things worse....

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Reading comprehension is hard.  This is all it takes for someone to not comprehend what they are reading and start spreading stupid shit telling people masks make COVID-19 worse.  If you have a medical mask then sure, it's worse...but for those who don't it's better than nothing.  It's spread through droplets in the air, so while it may not catch all the particles, if it catches any you are likely better off protecting yourself or others with a cloth.  Also it keeps mouth breathers from constantly touching their mouth and spreading germs everywhere.  Wear one of the 50 shemaghs you've been issued, a handkerchief, a homemade mask or that old N95 sitting in your garage for years.  Aircrew as a community immediately pillory anyone for not consulting an expert and making uneducated statements with regards to aviation...yet we constantly see people particularly in this thread turn their nose up at the nation's leading experts  because they think they know better.  It's like a dude trying to convince his fellow airline passengers not to listen to the aircraft commander and ignore the oxygen mask that just fell from the ceiling because his bro once told him sometimes it just happens.  Why question it...it's literally not hurting anyone to put a mask on and hopefully it will end this whole thing 69 seconds earlier.

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Don’t cough or sneeze on people, stay home if you’re sick. It’s pretty simple, don’t need to walk around with a mask on for the next year...unless you just can’t handle those easy steps, then by all means slap that maxipad on your face and have fun at the grocery store!

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-blood-donation-guidelines/index.html?fbclid=IwAR21NssVgK_W_KJa3sUIUvAsGbJ4eoyyi8MQ2Tv0v1oaHEW11NK4HDWfvhE.

So all the retired guys on here who were in USAFE in the 80's , if I read this correctly we are no longer disqualified to give blood because of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease or mad cow. I still would call ahead if heading to a blood bank to donate.

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4 hours ago, drewpey said:

Why question it...it's literally not hurting anyone to put a mask on and hopefully it will end this whole thing 69 seconds earlier.

It’s hurting me by making me look like a fucking idiot.

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7 hours ago, rancormac said:

Masks can actually make things worse....

 

https://theweek.com/articles/906647/noble-lie-about-masks-coronavirus-should-never-have-been-told
 

“We must put an end to the idea that the best way to get through this crisis is to say things we know are not true in the hope of getting people to behave a certain way. This means not saying masks are useless when what you really mean is, "Masks are in short supply, please consider before you start hoarding them whether you really need them at present and if so how many."

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1 hour ago, Danger41 said:

It’s hurting me by making me look like a fucking idiot.

Well man, to be fair, at this point in time, you are going to look like an idiot being the person not wearing one. 

Honestly, I could hardly care. Masks were widespread in Asia while stationed there and I got used to wearing one daily in Korea due to the air polution. 

The Bird Flu/SARS/H1N1 outbreaks, all out of Asia forced a cultural change to normalize the wear of sanitary mask on a day to day basis and there is empirical evidence that it has drastically slowed the spread of COVID in those countries. I would predict a similar cultural change will come out of this and to be honest I'm happy about that because I'm tired of sick ass people coming to work and breathing all over the mission planning computers and what not. 

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2 hours ago, Prosuper said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-blood-donation-guidelines/index.html?fbclid=IwAR21NssVgK_W_KJa3sUIUvAsGbJ4eoyyi8MQ2Tv0v1oaHEW11NK4HDWfvhE.

So all the retired guys on here who were in USAFE in the 80's , if I read this correctly we are no longer disqualified to give blood because of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease or mad cow. I still would call ahead if heading to a blood bank to donate.

Damn, if I wasn’t on the flight schedule, that was always my go to reason why I couldn’t donate when the mobile blood bank came around (I was born in Europe in early 80s)

 

‘I got the mad cow, yo’

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8 hours ago, HU&W said:

is, "Masks are in short supply, please consider before you start hoarding them whether you really need them at present and if so how many."

What’s interesting, and makes sense imo, is about a week ago I read on the CDC website a recommendation that while cloth masks will do little to help individuals, it would be good to tell people to wear them so they choose that over hoarding N95, etc. masks. The intent was clear that general mask wear was not a high Pk virus stopper, but rather the masses were going to do it anyways, so let’s at least get them to not waste the masks that healthcare workers desperately need. 

That’s paraphrasing, but that was the message of the recommendation. Fairly smart tactic on their part.

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A low Pk virus stopper mask generally is better than doing nothing (unless you never wash the stupid thing, then it's probably going to be worse).

 

Plus a mask is less for protecting you against what's out there, and more to keep whatever you have from spreading to others. Flip side is a respirator (like the N95s) are made to keep stuff out and protect you.

 

So wearing a (cloth) mask in public is more for protecting those around you than for protecting yourself (last resort PPE), and keeping N95 and other respirators free for high risk professionals (medical, first responders, etc) who are in close contact with multiple people who are suspected/known to have the virus.

 

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"CDC also advises the use of simple cloth face coverings to slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html

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From what I’ve read, it comes down to droplets vs aerosols.  Both carry the virus. They have different particle sizes.  In general, droplets come out when you talk and aerosols come out when you cough. N95 stops both. Cloth shield only stops droplets because the aerosol particle size is too small. The tighter the cloth weave, the higher percentage of particles it can stop.  

I think I may 3D print a bane mask and put a hepa filter in it. 

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10 hours ago, Prosuper said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-blood-donation-guidelines/index.html?fbclid=IwAR21NssVgK_W_KJa3sUIUvAsGbJ4eoyyi8MQ2Tv0v1oaHEW11NK4HDWfvhE.

So all the retired guys on here who were in USAFE in the 80's , if I read this correctly we are no longer disqualified to give blood because of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease or mad cow. I still would call ahead if heading to a blood bank to donate.

I heard the same, but I would also call beforehand...

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15 hours ago, drewpey said:

Reading comprehension is hard.  This is all it takes for someone to not comprehend what they are reading and start spreading stupid shit telling people masks make COVID-19 worse.  If you have a medical mask then sure, it's worse...but for those who don't it's better than nothing.  It's spread through droplets in the air, so while it may not catch all the particles, if it catches any you are likely better off protecting yourself or others with a cloth.  Also it keeps mouth breathers from constantly touching their mouth and spreading germs everywhere.  Wear one of the 50 shemaghs you've been issued, a handkerchief, a homemade mask or that old N95 sitting in your garage for years.  Aircrew as a community immediately pillory anyone for not consulting an expert and making uneducated statements with regards to aviation...yet we constantly see people particularly in this thread turn their nose up at the nation's leading experts  because they think they know better.  It's like a dude trying to convince his fellow airline passengers not to listen to the aircraft commander and ignore the oxygen mask that just fell from the ceiling because his bro once told him sometimes it just happens.  Why question it...it's literally not hurting anyone to put a mask on and hopefully it will end this whole thing 69 seconds earlier.

Nice dig. 

The nation's leading experts are recommending the widespread use of masks -- not to protect the wearer from acquiring the virus -- but to help prevent those with the virus from spreading it further.  For example, coughing with a mask on probably reduces the distance of the droplets.  If you're within radius of the droplets though, and have a mask on, it probably wont do shit.  My reading comprehension taught me that cloth mask filtration with virus is almost 0%. 

"Self-contamination through repeated use and improper doffing is possible. For example, a contaminated cloth mask may transfer pathogen from the mask to the bare hands of the wearer. We also showed that filtration was extremely poor (almost 0%) for the cloth masks. Observations during SARS suggested double-masking and other practices increased the risk of infection because of moisture, liquid diffusion and pathogen retention"

 

"In the interest of providing safe, low-cost options in low income countries, there is scope for research into more effectively designed cloth masks, but until such research is carried out, cloth masks should not be recommended."

 

To answer the previous question -- no there was no control vs effectiveness against no mask at all.  So, is throwing a bandana over your face more effective when walking around walmart?  Maybe, maybe not.  If someone with the virus sneezes near you... no, its not going to do shit.  If the virus is on your mask, is it more likely to stay there due to increased moisture retention?  Yes.  If some dumbass with the virus is out in public and wearing a mask, will it slow their infectious rate down? Probably.  Could people walking around with masks now have an increased false sense of security, and start to relax their hygiene and other counter measures?  Maybe. 

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