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@nsplayr: first, I didn't, and I'm not, writing off old people. COVID kills people. Duh. Also, COVID has not killed everyone that the PTB say it has. If you can't see the distinction, that's fine with me. I don't really care. But there it is for you in black and white if you care to read it. If you also think that counting people as COVID deaths has not been incentivized, then I don't have much for you. The point of this discussion in my view, is to discuss all things related to the COVID pandemic - that includes what is counted as a COVID death, because, news flash: the more people the PTB tally up as COVID deaths, the more money they get. A few of these things smell suspicious to a lot of people who are voluntarily engaging in this conversation. Some of those are

  • Why it took the WHO so long to declare the outbreak a pandemic, considering it had met the book definition LONG before it was actually declared as one publicly.
  • Why it was verboten to question the origin of the pandemic.
  • Why shutting down borders in some cases is ok, but not in others.
  • Why our death rate is apparently worse than many other countries.

I could go on. In short, though, the point is that the political response to this mess has been undeniably, nakedly, political. What has been acceptable for one party has not been acceptable for another - for reasons which are clearly political. If you've got space in your queue for a podcast, I recommend this one with Bari Weiss (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bringing-sanity-to-the-omicron-chaos-three-doctors-weigh-in/id1570872415?i=1000547881659). It was excellent.

I don't care to make this personal, but if someone is in a hospital getting treated for lung cancer and they get COVID, did they die of COVID? Maybe, but not in my opinion. What about someone who is obese? Did they die of COVID? Maybe, but not in my opinion. Probably need more detail in most cases. I'm certain we disagree on these points. But to be clear, I don't dispute that it's a bad disease. I dispute that it's as bad a disease as those who are benefiting from it being the worst thing ever are calling it. ~850K people are dead. Ok. There are a lot of people in that group who had underlying conditions for which COVID was the straw that broke the camel's back - it was not the root cause. Here's a couple (https://www.kmov.com/news/colorado-coroner-calling-out-how-state-classifies-covid-19-deaths/article_297e3550-4131-11eb-9f01-ffe3e11d0f46.html, https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nypd-man-shot-officers-dies-coronavirus-70941694).

It sucks people die. It sucks worse when their memories are dishonored by using them as pretext and justification to implement whatever policy goals they wanted anyway.

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5 hours ago, Prozac said:

So do tell us, with your obviously superior intellect and statistical analysis skills, how many Americans have died from Covid-19? Also, go with creds that prove you are qualified to determine the official numbers are pure propaganda. I’m sure they’re very impressive. 

https://www.timestables.com/

If you scale the populations of Japan and South Korea to make them equivalent to the US, you would get deaths in those countries to be about 50,000 and 38,000, respectively (they're actually 18,600, and 6300). This is minuscule when compared to the "850,000 OMG" deaths in the USA. Like 20x more people are dying from this thing on this side of the Pacific because...because...why, again??? In statistics class, we call this an outlier, and it points to something significant going on.

Why, WHY are there so many fewer deaths in those countries when compared to ours?

Do you not find this curious? No wonderings at all?

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Very few countries are morbidly obese like the US as well as those countries that are that obese don’t have any where close to the population we do. It’s an underlying problem that causes so many health issues that doesn’t help with recovering from a sickness. Let alone covid.

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“…top scientists and doctors…”

Just like those who in June 2020 told people to stay home when able, avoid large gatherings, etc to stop the spread of covid…unless it’s for a BLM protest, then it’s ok.  Please excuse my skepticism that obviously clearly isn’t warranted.  I’m sure there will be crickets from those on the left.

"Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19. To the extent possible, we support the application of these public health best practices during demonstrations that call attention to the pervasive lethal force of white supremacy," the letter says.
 

"However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators' ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders."

Yep…no agenda outside of medicine and science.

Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter saying, Don't shut down protests using coronavirus concerns as an excuse

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

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https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated

It is unreal how many Americans have lost all concept of the constitution, basic American/human rights, and are hell bent on dehumanizing fellow Americans who don’t have the same viewpoint as them. They make excuses for themselves to justify their abhorrent behavior. How about accept this is a free country and you will disagree with others, but you should be able to do so while treating them as a neighbor and not as a piece of valueless trash. Here are some highlights for those who don’t want to read the whole thing:

- Zero fucks given for 1st Amendment: “Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.” 

- Take freedom from others, but not from me (because I’m…insert excuse to justify horrible actions): Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.”

- Taking your kids away because I don’t agree with you: “Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.”

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1 hour ago, brabus said:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated

It is unreal how many Americans have lost all concept of the constitution, basic American/human rights, and are hell bent on dehumanizing fellow Americans who don’t have the same viewpoint as them. They make excuses for themselves to justify their abhorrent behavior. How about accept this is a free country and you will disagree with others, but you should be able to do so while treating them as a neighbor and not as a piece of valueless trash. Here are some highlights for those who don’t want to read the whole thing:

- Zero fucks given for 1st Amendment: “Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.” 

- Take freedom from others, but not from me (because I’m…insert excuse to justify horrible actions): Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.”

- Taking your kids away because I don’t agree with you: “Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.”

I wonder if they have any idea that minorities have a lower vaccination rate than whitey.

We're already seeing the wedges in places like NYC, where a restaurant was called racist for enforcing the vaccine mandate and refusing service to three black women.

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5 minutes ago, pawnman said:

I wonder if they have any idea that minorities have a lower vaccination rate than whitey.

We're already seeing the wedges in places like NYC, where a restaurant was called racist for enforcing the vaccine mandate and refusing service to three black women.

I don’t believe they’ve connected those dots (or several other dots). It’s all about frothing-at-the-mouth outrage and separating people into worthy and unworthy groups - logic, laws, respect, and history be damned. 

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2 hours ago, brabus said:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated

It is unreal how many Americans have lost all concept of the constitution, basic American/human rights, and are hell bent on dehumanizing fellow Americans who don’t have the same viewpoint as them. They make excuses for themselves to justify their abhorrent behavior. How about accept this is a free country and you will disagree with others, but you should be able to do so while treating them as a neighbor and not as a piece of valueless trash.

 

26 minutes ago, Guardian said:

We are a society of victims.

I wish that survey had broken out responses by gender.

Unpopular opinion, but when I see any online discussion of Covid where the respondent's gender is identified, it's always the females who are the most adamant about damning the unvaxxed to the pits of hell.  Reasoned or nuanced discussion be damned.

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1 hour ago, pawnman said:

I wonder if they have any idea that minorities have a lower vaccination rate than whitey.

We're already seeing the wedges in places like NYC, where a restaurant was called racist for enforcing the vaccine mandate and refusing service to three black women.

That's been the vulnerability of the progressive/socialist/Marxist movement for decades. The philosophy of "do what we say and we'll reach utopia together" always crashes into the inescapable conflict of the people they (the elite) are trying to save (the proletariat) not wanting to follow the orders meant to save them.

 

Then comes the blood shed.

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Per multiple news sources, https://www.covidtests.gov/ is now live, allowing Americans to order up to four at-home Covid tests per household.

President Biden has ordered 500 million tests, with a follow-on order for another 500 million.

So, it sounds like the intent is to more or less flood the country with at-home tests.  Couple thoughts:

- All of the testing will drive the case counts into the stratosphere.

- With all of the tests out there, will mandates start to include proof of a negative test in order to work/dine out/etc?

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9 minutes ago, Blue said:

Per multiple news sources, https://www.covidtests.gov/ is now live, allowing Americans to order up to four at-home Covid tests per household.

President Biden has ordered 500 million tests, with a follow-on order for another 500 million.

So, it sounds like the intent is to more or less flood the country with at-home tests.  Couple thoughts:

- All of the testing will drive the case counts into the stratosphere.

- With all of the tests out there, will mandates start to include proof of a negative test in order to work/dine out/etc?

Ha!  Just ordered mine about 2 hrs ago.  USPS emailed and will send tracking no end Jan for an "expected" ship time.  Can't wait to see how this shit show plays out.  

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1 hour ago, Blue said:

Per multiple news sources, https://www.covidtests.gov/ is now live, allowing Americans to order up to four at-home Covid tests per household.

President Biden has ordered 500 million tests, with a follow-on order for another 500 million.

So, it sounds like the intent is to more or less flood the country with at-home tests.  Couple thoughts:

- All of the testing will drive the case counts into the stratosphere.

- With all of the tests out there, will mandates start to include proof of a negative test in order to work/dine out/etc?

Our tax dollars at work in this morass of fraud, waste, and abuse. I could have countenanced them supplying tests in early autumn, ahead of the expected winter surge (omicron variant or otherwise), but this seems like too little too late and just a blatant play to score political points.

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