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26 minutes ago, Duck said:

Is this Alpha Alert? Launch within 30mins? I know some units that have a Bravo line and it doesn’t seem to be as good of a deal as we have here.


Not sure what is considered alpha or bravo alert. It's like, you stay in a facility on base 24/7 and when the horn goes off, you go running for the jets.   

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Not sure what is considered alpha or bravo alert. It's like, you stay in a facility on base 24/7 and when the horn goes off, you go running for the jets.   

Yeah same here. Hmmm. Sounds like a screw job for sure. On another note I have been told that while y’all are DAV coded from deployments when sitting Alert, we are not. How many days a month are you actually “sitting”? We are 1 on, 2 off, but we can stack up to 5 days straight to give us more block time off. I sit Alert and also do the Managing for the Wing. I absolutely love this job. Since the ex didn’t try to take my military retirement, I plan on maxing that thing out just to spite her!


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10 hours ago, SocialD said:

Well I'm guessing it's kinda like how the NGB staff takes care of themselves with USERRA exempt orders (though I heard those are getting cut as well), but the peons don't get the same. 

Those (USERRA Exempt Orders) were cut 15 May 2015 almost 5 years ago, unless they were reinstated? Airlines got quite a bit smarter.

2 hours ago, Duck said:

I absolutely love this job. Since the ex didn’t try to take my military retirement, I plan on maxing that thing out just to spite her!

Very Rare! Good for you, job/end game done extremely well.

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9 hours ago, brabus said:

We don’t call it A/B, but yes, it’s faster than A. Title 32, non-exempt...Just another job, courtesy of NGB. 

Ahhhhh, that’s correct. I recall that measure and written policy now. Your fellow fast burners & bean counters wrote into fine print something to the effect: Title 32 until performing the real-world event which requires Title 10 auto-convert as it becomes a  Federal mission and falls under Title 10 Federal Authority in order to execute. Yup, that’s a screw job... 

Just goes to show you, when the Government offers you a “deal”, it’s most likely NOT  in your favor. 
 

*Advised a friend (Major who worked for me) of mine out of signing for $30K immediately and accepting the 40% vs 50% retirement pay at 20 yrs. (He was at 15 yrs AD service) He argued he could do better with $30k at 7% return in the stock market. I let him know it would be $22K after taxes, may do 7% - may not. And, he would only need to be retired as a Major for not even 5 years to break even and it’s pure gravy 10% win after that. If he knew he had a terminal disease shorter than that, just enjoy the cash which is understandable.

Funny thing: He made O-6 last year, just think about that 10% now. Bravo for one of our own. Nothing more dangerous than a man with options!

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9 hours ago, AirGuardianC141747 said:

Those (USERRA Exempt Orders) were cut 15 May 2015 almost 5 years ago, unless they were reinstated? Airlines got quite a bit smarter.

Very Rare! Good for you, job/end game done extremely well.

 

Most of my full time was on or before that timeframe, so that makes sense.  I remember hearing that some of them were being cut but I believe some are still there.  Obviously a special case, but  the outgoing ANGRC/CC (outstanding dude!) has been out on MLOA (from DAL) for well over 10 years.  

 

8 hours ago, AirGuardianC141747 said:

Ahhhhh, that’s correct. I recall that measure and written policy now. Your fellow fast burners & bean counters wrote into fine print something to the effect: Title 32 until performing the real-world event which requires Title 10 auto-convert as it becomes a  Federal mission and falls under Title 10 Federal Authority in order to execute. Yup, that’s a screw job... 

Just goes to show you, when the Government offers you a “deal”, it’s most likely NOT  in your favor. 

 

When I was young and naive, I learned my lessons on "deals" from the government.  It's the reason I decided to go down the part-timer path with no desire to ever go full time again, and a major reason why I don't sit alert anymore.  

 

8 hours ago, AirGuardianC141747 said:

*Advised a friend (Major who worked for me) of mine out of signing for $30K immediately and accepting the 40% vs 50% retirement pay at 20 yrs. (He was at 15 yrs AD service) He argued he could do better with $30k at 7% return in the stock market. I let him know it would be $22K after taxes, may do 7% - may not. And, he would only need to be retired as a Major for not even 5 years to break even and it’s pure gravy 10% win after that. If he knew he had a terminal disease shorter than that, just enjoy the cash which is understandable.

Funny thing: He made O-6 last year, just think about that 10% now. Bravo for one of our own. Nothing more dangerous than a man with options!

 

Not enough info to say if it worked out well or not.  He may have taken his slightly reduced retirement, made 7% on his bonus, landed a gig that made him a bunch more money and/or a second retirement and never had to deal with DTS again!  😁

 

4 hours ago, Duck said:

That is so strange how different this is. We are always Title 10... whether we launch or not.

 

When you look at it through the lens of a bean counter, or think of airline execs leaning on the .gov, it all makes sense.  They want a full time force, they just don't want to pay for it...which I get.  Kind of like when we had wildly different benefits based on whether you went vol or non-vol on non-contingency deployments (12301d vs 12304b...finally changed for the good).  However, I never knew our tanker bros were getting title-10 exempt orders.  I assume those are early retirement eligible?  Good on ya, that's truly a great deal!  How many "man-years" (can we still say that?  Person-years? Human-years?) of orders does your squadron get per year?  Each alert squadron gets 10 sets of orders per year.  For a while some squadron got 12, but I think we're all back down to 10.  

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When you look at it through the lens of a bean counter, or think of airline execs leaning on the .gov, it all makes sense.  They want a full time force, they just don't want to pay for it...which I get.  Kind of like when we had wildly different benefits based on whether you went vol or non-vol on non-contingency deployments (12301d vs 12304b...finally changed for the good).  However, I never knew our tanker bros were getting title-10 exempt orders.  I assume those are early retirement eligible?  Good on ya, that's truly a great deal!  How many "man-years" (can we still say that?  Person-years? Human-years?) of orders does your squadron get per year?  Each alert squadron gets 10 sets of orders per year.  For a while some squadron got 12, but I think we're all back down to 10.  

Yeah! Early retirement eligible and also TAMP-180 (I think that’s the right term). We are currently fighting TACC and A3 about Manning. Technically, we get 2 full crews on Title-10 alert. Which if played out, would be working 15 days a month... good luck getting anyone to volunteer for that. A3 supplements us with enough “man-days” to create another crew although that is not the “intention” of the days they give us. When scheduled out, the 3 crew ratio lets us schedule people to work 10 days a month, which gets a lot of airline guys and even guest help beating down the doors to participate for 33 days here and there.

We have 2 pilot managers and 2 boom managers who stay on Alert Orders most of the year and deal with all the management and scheduling headaches. I was blessed to be able to slide into this job post divorce and life has been pretty incredible since. Coming off orders soon though to knock out my off-probation checkride, but when I figured out my “break even” point, Alert vs. SWA, I will have to be a 5 year FO before I start losing money on Alert... that puts me so close to an AD military retirement that it would be stupid to walk away from the O-5 pension. I just need Alert to hang on for a little while longer.


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Jaysus!  I didn't know that tanker alert was title 10. WTFO???  (great deal for you guys - we need that!)

Yeah, I don’t understand how there can be so much disparity among units doing the same job just with different MWS.


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21 hours ago, Duck said:

Yeah! Early retirement eligible and also TAMP-180 (I think that’s the right term).

 

We used to get TAMP, but that went away with when we lost the three for ones....thanks a lot Fresno!

 

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On 6/1/2021 at 11:42 AM, Desk Jobs Suck said:

Can anyone confirm or deny if Boeing's differential pay policy can compare to Lockheed's or Northrop's?

Confirmed, Boeing does not offer differential pay for OTS or UPT. Double checking Northrop's policy too.

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On 6/7/2021 at 12:33 PM, Desk Jobs Suck said:

Confirmed, Boeing does not offer differential pay for OTS or UPT. Double checking Northrop's policy too.

Where are you finding this info? I am kinda on the same boat. I am TBD on training dates and I am not sure which companies offer differential pay, looking to maybe jump ship from current employer.

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2 hours ago, JKA360 said:

Where are you finding this info? I am kinda on the same boat. I am TBD on training dates and I am not sure which companies offer differential pay, looking to maybe jump ship from current employer.

I had to call their military payroll specialist and specifically ask them "do you pay for officer training school and pilot training". This was after the job offer. 

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Northrop indeed offers 5 years of differential pay for the pipeline pilot's go through. 

 

I found a website that lists some good companies with good benefits. The list is from 2019 so hopefully no company has yanked their benefit. Click on more info on the right and scroll all the way down to see their differential policy. 

 

Best for Vets: Employers 2019 For-profit companies | Charts | Rebootcamp (militarytimes.com)

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