zachbar Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, JRBac said: How many dudes are actually flying 3 student sorties a day at CBM? Even for those I know that fly a lot, that seems to rarely happen, even before the Mx changeover. Are the new MSIs doing a sim and two student sorties now? I’m not at CBM, but triple turning isn’t a regular thing at DLF. Still, I’m surprised at how tired I am at this assignment. Coming from AMC I thought it would be a chance to take a breather and have a regular schedule, maybe actually get a decent amount of sleep. When I was just a line flyer gaining experience my first year, it was crushing. Show at 7 o’clock, brief, fly, land and debrief by 11:40. Phone a food order in somewhere on base so I can eat during my next briefing. Brief, fly, land and debrief by 1600. GK the studs, do the two gradesheets from earlier, and then finally have an hour to take care of real world problems before I have to go home so I have crew rest for the next day. Now as a flight commander it’s busier. I get excited when the next day’s show is more than 12 hours after the current day’s show, because it means I can have some peace and quiet during the 13th hour of the day to get my office work done and still be legal to fly the following morning. Now multiply that by 5 days a week, all month, all year, with the occasional 12 day work week because you took your students cross country. Edited October 6, 2019 by zachbar 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sua Sponte Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, zachbar said: I’m not at CBM, but triple turning isn’t a regular thing at DLF. Still, I’m surprised at how tired I am at this assignment. Coming from AMC I thought it would be a chance to take a breather and have a regular schedule, maybe actually get a decent amount of sleep. When I was just a line flyer gaining experience my first year, it was crushing. Show at 7 o’clock, brief, fly, land and debrief by 11:40. Phone a food order in somewhere on base so I can eat during my next briefing. Brief, fly, land and debrief by 1600. GK the studs, do the two gradesheets from earlier, and then finally have an hour to take care of real world problems before I have to go home so I have crew rest for the next day. Now as a flight commander it’s busier. I get excited when the next day’s show is more than 12 hours after the current day’s show, because it means I can have some peace and quiet during the 13th hour of the day to get my office work done and still be legal to fly the following morning. Now multiply that by 5 days a week, all month, all year, with the occasional 12 day work week because you took your students cross country. Those that think AETC is a cakewalk assignment, never taught in AETC. I worked much harder instructing in AETC, day-to-day, than I ever did in AMC. I just dealt with way more knee jerk reaction that would fuck up your scheduled day events in AMC. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerdubs Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Yep. I am one of those guys. Flew 38s and got caught up in some of the worst drops since the bank happened. Some of my buddies never flew a manned USAF aircraft after pilot training. Still an awesome career path but don’t have high expectations and you won’t be disappointed.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile appDo you think Big Blue will actually go through with that AETC memo about taking pilot slots? Should we prepare for disappointment? Cadre at our ROTC Detachment keep saying “ignore it” FYSA - December 2019 Commission -> Vance June 2020Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I would be surprised if that memo were real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 The only thing you can count on in the Air Force is to not count on the Air Force. Nothing would surprise me at all.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Dixon Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Walkerdubs said: Do you think Big Blue will actually go through with that AETC memo about taking pilot slots? Should we prepare for disappointment? Cadre at our ROTC Detachment keep saying “ignore it” FYSA - December 2019 Commission -> Vance June 2020 Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app I am surprised management at your detachment is so detached from reality. I just heard that CBM is going to send some T-38 students to Sheppard. CBMs maintenance problems have crushed their ability to train T-38 students. So, yes, I think big blue will reduce UPT slots. And please, while working for big blue falcon, always, ALWAYS “prepare for disappointment.” Edited October 8, 2019 by Merle Dixon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sua Sponte Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 12 hours ago, Walkerdubs said: Do you think Big Blue will actually go through with that AETC memo about taking pilot slots? Should we prepare for disappointment? Cadre at our ROTC Detachment keep saying “ignore it” FYSA - December 2019 Commission -> Vance June 2020 Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Things to do: 1. Start searching for ANG/AFRC flying units you’d like to be apart of. 2. Get in writing from your cadre that the AETC memo is false (they won’t). 3. Read every thread on this forum about the current state of the Air Force and make your own judgement. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprkt69 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Ah yes, the new Air Force motto... “Aim Low” so every good deal is a gift and things will be pretty darn good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigred Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 12 hours ago, Sprkt69 said: Ah yes, the new Air Force motto... “Aim Low” so every good deal is a gift and things will be pretty darn good Well, if you set the bar low it’s pretty easy to step over it when you lower it even further, so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynasty22 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Is there any information regarding if candidates are still being selected UPT Next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bender Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Rumor has it a “Innovation Syllabus” is in its final stretch to reaching the 19AF this month. From what I’ve heard so far it will increase T-6 sorties for T-1s and hold for T-38s...single track perhaps. All kinds of flashy VR and 360 Video included to augment the training...rather than replace.I mean, it was already into the bone with OBOGS. Maybe they can at least get back to the skin if more sorties aren’t cut.Moles in place...stand by for more!~Bendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Bender said: Rumor has it a “Innovation Syllabus” is in its final stretch to reaching the 19AF this month. From what I’ve heard so far it will increase T-6 sorties for T-1s and hold for T-38s...single track perhaps. All kinds of flashy VR and 360 Video included to augment the training...rather than replace. I mean, it was already into the bone with OBOGS. Maybe they can at least get back to the skin if more sorties aren’t cut. Moles in place...stand by for more! ~Bendy It’s the UPT 2.5 syllabus that will be executed at Randolph. It’s not particularly a secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 It’s the UPT 2.5 syllabus that will be executed at Randolph. It’s not particularly a secretOh, I didn’t realize it was common knowledge. Can you share more about what’s going on?Once RND gets done with it, my understanding is it’s supposed to hit everyone in the face.Thought it would be of interest...maybe you know more than me.Let us know what’s up.~Bendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 It’s the UPT 2.5 syllabus that will be executed at Randolph. It’s not particularly a secretSo can you share the syllabus draft or details with us? A synopsis at least? ~Bendy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungnDumb Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I'm gonna guess it involves less flying and less sims all in the name of increased production. Oh and a healthy splash of VR and some buzz words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 On 12/3/2019 at 7:30 PM, Bender said: So can you share the syllabus draft or details with us? A synopsis at least? ~Bendy Dont have one, the Bobs are still debating over what it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zachbar Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 2 hours ago, LookieRookie said: Dont have one, the Bobs are still debating over what it will be. I’ve been reading through a draft in order to provide comments to be sent up the chain, and I find myself scratching my head a lot. I don’t want to disparage the people who worked very hard on it, because I have good friends at the other bases. The effort was well intentioned, but syllabus 2.5 seems overly optimistic and grasping for anything and everything “innovative.” The new syllabus concepts also seems to have been tested in a vacuum, primarily because the class that provided the lessons learned for it was part of a separate innovation flight apart from the rest of the flying squadrons. No washbacks or forwards, no inbound baby class pressuring the timeline, no brand new FAIP development to worry about, etc. I question it’s ability to succeed in the real world. My big problem with what we have been doing in UPT isn’t that 19AF wants to innovate, it’s how we do it. We changed every variable a year ago with the new syllabus starting with 19-20, and we changed the way we rate what is successful and what is not. That’s not an experiment. That’s desperate thrashing. How do I know what new concept works and what doesn’t if everything changed at the same time and if I don’t have a control to compare it against? We’re also doing the equivalent of jerking ourselves off here in 19AF because we define our own success. As far as I know there isn’t an official channel to interface with follow on training, and there isn’t an official forum for them to define what they want from a UPT graduate. What stood out to me is that syllabus 2.5 increases the flying time slightly over the current “new” syllabus. That’s awesome! But...if we are nearing the same amount of hours as the proven legacy syllabus, this entire last year and a half was a waste. We should have used something like PTN to vette isolated, innovative ideas to be rolled into the syllabus in an incremental and controlled manner. Instead we have an entire generation of pilots who were screwed by AETC, received worse training, and are less qualified graduates. I’ll look every one of them in the eye and tell that to their faces when I go back to my MWS because they deserve to know it and also because I’ll be stuck with the results when I’m on a crew with them. *rant over* 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 People in AMC training (at the MAJCOM level) are of the opinion that the product coming out of UPT is not quality for MAF operations. It probably doesn’t help that 19 AF is of the opinion that UPT Phase III can be taught in much larger more expensive airframes.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 8 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: People in AMC training (at the MAJCOM level) are of the opinion that the product coming out of UPT is not quality for MAF operations. It probably doesn’t help that 19 AF is of the opinion that UPT Phase III can be taught in much larger more expensive airframes. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Well, AMC better be ready for in the next decade: 1. Pilots that only fly the T-6 2. Pilots that fly the T-6 and minimal T-7 or 3. Pilots that only fly the T-6 and sim in legacy T-1 sims for Phase III top off On another note, 2.5 is only supposed to be producing T-38 trained pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis John Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Dope. Looks like CMR just got twice as long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 11 hours ago, zachbar said: As far as I know there isn’t an official channel to interface with follow on training, and there isn’t an official forum for them to define what they want from a UPT graduate. AETC is holding a realistic training review board this summer. Hopefully there is some crosstalk there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Genghis John said: Dope. Looks like CMR just got twice as long. At least, since UPT 2.5 coincides with the halving of FTU training, while the ops squadrons bleed instructors... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Uecker Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 You guys got any info on the Randolph UPT classes next summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Bob Uecker said: You guys got any info on the Randolph UPT classes next summer? Are you at USAFA as a firstie right now? If not, then I doubt you’ll go. Edited December 6, 2019 by LookieRookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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