The Congressman is back yo

[Pooter]

7 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

This characterization of Tucker Carlson‘s reporting is not how I interpreted his story.  I’m curious how you reached this conclusion, and would like to hear your viewpoint.

I have not followed the January 6 story very closely and have only seen wave top talking points from both sides.  But I understood his report to be focused on using video evidence to undermine conclusions the January 6 congressional investigation reached, and show that for partisan reasons they misconstrued actual facts and misinformed the public.  I did not see minimizing, or excuse making.  Can you cite specifics?

Jan 6 was definitely a riot and there was violence.  Many of us watched these events live & there is no denying those things happened.  And I didn’t see Tucker deny it in the report; if I missed it, please show me.  However, he did point out that many things we thought were true were not true: the Capitol police literally escorted that crazy dude dressed like a buffalo through the building, he didn’t break in.  There was definitely no armed insurrection, and the police officer was not beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. I heard January 6 committee members say that multiple police officers were killed, totally false.  We’ve been told things that weren’t true.  Personally, I’m just tired of being lied to. I did not feel lied to after listening to his reporting.  

Full disclosure: I thought the cops were insanely soft on those rioters.  Had I been a cop on a barricade protecting the capital while legislators did their work, and a group of people had stormed my barricade, I would’ve been shooting fools 100%.  Why on earth did the cops open the doors?  Why on earth did the FBI have informants inciting the crowd?  The highly partisan Jan 6 committee did not deliver objective reporting to our country.  I’m not saying Tucker Carlson did, but your outright dismissal of his reporting is more shallow than I’m accustomed to from your posts.

I've reached that viewpoint based on the body of his coverage of Jan 6th which seeks to generally minimize and downplay the severity of the event. As a result, he latches onto anything, no matter how small, which feeds that narrative. This video is just the most recent example. 
 

Putting aside that this is a 5 minute compilation in a sea of violence and mayhem, there are plenty of non-conspiracy explanations for why the cops were nice to buffalo guy for 5 minutes. 

-the capitol is a large building and the cops in the video didn't know what was happening yet

-this occurred early prior to violence breaking out

-they were vastly outnumbered surrounded by thousands of rioters

I find the third explanation particularly convincing. Put yourself in their shoes. You're a low rent cop in a building that's already been evacuated and now you're surrounded by 10,000 maga nutcases. Do you:

a) be nice to them and prevent escalation

b) start unloading with your service weapon, guaranteeing a panic, and probably get trampled/assaulted to death 

c) arrest buffalo guy and march out the front door.. and probably get trampled/assaulted to death

If I was a betting man, Id say most of the cops left in the building by the time it was breached.. at least the smart ones.. went with option A.

Pop quiz: what are the first two things they teach you in the hostage portion of SERE?

-Do and say everything you can to avoid being killed immediately

-build rapport

[HeloDude]

So what the hell are the capital police there for if they won’t defend/protect the capital from violence?

[Vetter]

They are just low rent cops evidently…maybe to just collect a paycheck?  🤷‍♂️ 

[Lord Ratner]

5 hours ago, HeloDude said:

So what the hell are the capital police there for if they won’t defend/protect the capital from violence?

Individual/small group actors. 

There are riot police, and they look quite different. I don't think it would be reasonable to expect a handful of cops to take on a mob. 

I'm on the "this was a riot, not an insurrection" side of the debate. Usually I like Tucker's view on domestic issues, but on this one I think his rage at the hypocrisy and double standard of the left is giving him a huge confirmation bias.

 

I've said it before, but the appearance of fairness/unfairness has always and will always overcome any rules, laws, or customs in a society. Our system was unique and successful specifically because of the intense focus on fairness. Sure, there were always violations of that principal, but it was always treated as an aberration. 

 

Now we have an entire political philosophy being based on the explicit abandonment of fairness, and the Democrats are embracing it because their entire strategy for electoral success is the coalition-of-minority-groups plan, based solely on their grievances against the majority. 

 

This will end badly. Either for the aforementioned minority groups who have been promised things that cannot be allowed to happen, or for everyone. 

[Prozac]

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Democrats are embracing it because their entire strategy for electoral success is the coalition-of-minority-groups plan, based solely on their grievances against the majority. 

Similar to where the Republicans were in 2016. I’m so tired of these parties and politicians running against something/someone rather than passionately advocating for their own platforms and ideas. And pundits like Carlson get an equal share of the blame (yeah, plenty of the CNN/MSNBC crowd does the same….this discussion is about the little bow tie boy for now). If he gave a shit about making this country a better place, he’d spend more time telling you why DeSantis or Haley make the best candidate, and less time getting you outraged at whatever perceived atrocity the other side has committed most recently. He doesn’t. He cares about ratings and being filthy rich (he’s worth $420M. His salary is $35M). Hell, even Rupert Murdoch admits he’s a shill but he’ll never be fired because he makes Fox too much money. Fuck Tucker and everyone like him. 

[HeloDude]

4 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Individual/small group actors. 

There are riot police, and they look quite different. I don't think it would be reasonable to expect a handful of cops to take on a mob. 

If this same size of a group took the same action to the White House while the President was there, do you think the security personnel at the WH would have reacted in the same way?

If the job of the security folks at the Capital are to protect it from those violently entering, then I expect them to not just stand there…and if the cops acted accordingly given the situation, then why hasn’t Michael Byrd been charged for murder for killing Ashli Babbitt?

[Lord Ratner]

16 hours ago, Prozac said:

Similar to where the Republicans were in 2016.

I agree with the decrying of polarization, but this is revisionist history. Identity politics can be traced back to the 60's and 70's and have been incubated by far left (Marxist and progressive circles) for decades. Clinton was the last Democratic president who could be considered "liberal" instead of "progressive," whereas the Obamas were completely and proudly progressive. Joe isn't anything but an idiot, but his staff are all loyal Obama adherents. 

 

The "far right" identarians would be the white nationalists I guess, but the difference is the establishment right, Republicans, have never embraced the theories or promoters of white nationalism, whereas the left, Democrats, still heroize the grifters of critical race theory and their new scam, "equity." 

 

What you are seeing on the right is the response to unfairness. Fear, rage, and a retreat to tribalism. The tribe can be anything, but since the attacks from the left have been focused on race, the tribe of being white is seeing a resurgence. That should have been obvious when Obama said Trayvon Martin could have been his son. 

 

The Right's last unrighteous cause was the restrictions against gay couples. That fight is over, the Republicans lost, though curiously the most alarmist claims about the gay rights movement targeting children seems to have come true, if you accept that the trans movement is a branch of the gay rights movement.

 

Either way, Republicans have not made an explicit claim that we are not, in fact, equal. Democrats have, and we are paying for it more each day.

Edited March 9 by Lord Ratner

[nsplayr]

7 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Identity politics can be traced back to the 60's and 70's

Of which century? 🧐 

[Lord Ratner]

55 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

If the job of the security folks at the Capital are to protect it from those violently entering

If ”those” = a few people, sure. If "those" = a mob, then no, probably not.

 

I don't know the specifics of the Capitol police structure, but I would be shocked if it is regularly staffed to the level required to stop a violent mob.

 

Let's also not forget, Democratic leadership had intentionally reduced the capital police footprint because the expectation from everyone in Washington was that it was more likely for there to be leftist rioting, and they didn't like the optics from the George Floyd rioting.

 

58 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

and if the cops acted accordingly given the situation, then why hasn’t Michael Byrd been charged for murder for killing Ashli Babbitt?

Because there was no "accordingly." The situation escalated beyond what was planned, and the officers there were left to deal with it in whatever way they thought was best for the overall outcome. It's a shitty situation they were put in, so some became tour guides while others shot violent trespassers. I would hardly blame the police for acting in a less than perfect manner, in retrospect, given the situation they faced.

[Lawman]

Because there was no "accordingly." The situation escalated beyond what was planned, and the officers there were left to deal with it in whatever way they thought was best for the overall outcome. It's a shitty situation they were put in, so some became tour guides while others shot violent trespassers. I would hardly blame the police for acting in a less than perfect manner, in retrospect, given the situation they faced.

I dated a capitol police officer back in the day. Coming from my background compared to hers their department is in a word, “weird.”

They are staffed and equipped almost like park police vs the more civil authority model used in metropolitan police. But then they had riot kit that was prestige and sub machine guns. It wasn’t heavily manned though because here are something like 5 different law enforcement agencies in the same location intermingled in responsibility but no centralized command and control.


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[Sim]

[Guardian]

Well regardless of the side you fall on, I bet we can all agree Adam is a douche

[Sim]

https://rumble.com/v2c8msm-the-january-6th-meltdown-explodes-ep.-1964-the-dan-bongino-show.html

Dan Bongino is dead on (as always) about this idiocy.  

[lloyd christmas]

This thread will end up just like the Covid thread. The government lied.  The truth always comes out.  Unfortunately, there are too many people that jump on the ride and refuse to get off.  

[HuggyU2]

12 hours ago, Prozac said:

... he's worth $420M. 

Can you provide a source for that?  Most sources I've seen believe Carlson's worth ~$30M. 

[filthy_liar]

24 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said:

Can you provide a source for that?  Most sources I've seen believe Carlson's worth ~$30M. 

Morbidly curious...why does it matter if his worth is 30M vs 400M+?

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, HuggyU2 said:

Can you provide a source for that?  Most sources I've seen believe Carlson's worth ~$30M. 

To be fair, various sources seem to have him somewhere between 30M on the low end, to over 500M on the high end. Salary figures vary wildly as well. I’m sure that just about every one of these “sources” is trying to paint a picture, be it good or bad. Suffice to say, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle & what I posted was, admittedly, likely at the high end. I stand by my sentiment however. 

[HercDude]

23 hours ago, HeloDude said:

So what the hell are the capital police there for if they won’t defend/protect the capital from violence?

Come on dude.

 

How many rioters/trespassers were there, and how many LEOs were there to sop or impede them?  I know you're not a cop; neither am I.  But surely you can see that the police were outnumbered by orders of magnitude and lacked the manpower and resources to protect a 170,000 sq-ft building.  But don't take my word for it.  Here is what Officer Robishaw had to say about it:

"The sheer number of them compared to us, I knew ahead there was no way we could all get physical with them...I can’t do anything, you know, all I can do is shout orders and if they listen, great, and if they don’t, I cannot force them. I am by myself.” 

Chief Manger:

"One false allegation is that our officers helped the rioters and acted as 'tour guides.'  This is outrageou and false...I don’t have to remind you how outnumbered our officers were on January 6. Those officers did their best to use de-escalation tactics to try to talk rioters into getting each other to leave the building”

[Guardian]

De-escalation tactics? Sounds made up. If you’re out numbered and you choose to do nothing, why stay if you’re in fear of an insurrection? The whole thing makes zero sense the way they claim.

[Swizzle]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

De-escalation tactics? Sounds made up. If you’re out numbered and you choose to do nothing, why stay if you’re in fear of an insurrection? The whole thing makes zero sense the way they claim.

"Verbal self-defense, also known as verbal judo, is defined as using words to prevent, de-escalate or end an attempted assault. It is a way of using words to maintain mental and emotional safety."

https://maui.hawaii.edu/pd/events/2019/11/verbal-judo-training/#:~:text=Verbal self-defense%2C also known,maintain mental and emotional safety.

 

You haven't lived until you've seen an AMC Raven verbal judo people who don't speak American in Central Africa and SE Asia...comical, but each person's intentions were revealed through body language eventually.

 

Example: https://www.andersen.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/415516/736th-sfs-airmen-put-verbal-judo-to-the-test/

[Guardian]

Yep. Like I said. Made up. Robbie Kwan Do

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, Guardian said:

De-escalation tactics? Sounds made up. If you’re out numbered and you choose to do nothing, why stay if you’re in fear of an insurrection? The whole thing makes zero sense the way they claim.

Really? You're an educated adult and you have a hard time believing that verbal de-escalation is a real thing?

 

I got it, the left sucks and has completely mischaracterized the entire event. Totally agree. But being intentionally stupid just doesn't seem like a logical solution to this problem.

 

It's quite clear that a lot of people in this thread have never been afraid for their physical safety.

[tac airlifter]

Our speculation on on verbal jujitsu versus cowardly disorganization is irrelevant; the January 6 congressional committee should have investigated why the capitol police were unable to effectively protect the capital.  Unfortunately, because of Democrats playing politics, the investigation was a complete sham.  Indisputable.

So instead Tucker Carlson has investigated, and say what you will about his motives, he is adding important facts and witnesses and video to the discussion. Everybody should be in favor of that, instead, Democrats are trying to censor him.  

Similarly, Republicans have started an investigation into Covid origins. Democrats did not do that for years and actively censored the public from knowing facts.

I sense a theme here.

[Swizzle]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

Yep. Like I said. Made up. Robbie Kwan Do

https://fb.watch/j9QE6qfL4Z/

[Homestar]

There are times where I think that there's no way that our country would find itself back in a place where brothers are killing brothers on a battle field.  But then I read threads here and am reminded that there are absolutely people here who wouldn't hesitate to shoot me dead if we ever get into a shooting war against ourselves.