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Complete and utter malarkey. ONE mainstream network went after Obama, Foxnews, some of it unwarranted Political tripe, some of it valid.  Meanwhile ALL of the remaining mainstream networks suppor

Want to slash American carbon?  Build nuclear power plants.  

When MSNBC announced Trump's win in Iowa, there was an audible grunt from Rachel Madow. By the sound of it, she apparently sat on her sack wrong. Happens to the best of us.

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On 3/26/2021 at 8:57 PM, Pooter said:

Mainly the invasion of the capitol and the complete undermining of our election system. Do you need more than that?

We can go chicken vs egg all day long on whether Democrats or Republicans ruined elections first, but trump certainly didn't help anything. As it became clearer and clearer he was going to lose, trump became more erratic and irresponsible. And it culminated in probably the most shameful moment for America in my lifetime. 

 

Slavery, Jim Crow, Japanese internment, losing the Vietnam war, the Iraq war...and this is what you chose as the most shameful? 

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12 minutes ago, dream big said:

Slavery, Jim Crow, Japanese internment, losing the Vietnam war, the Iraq war...and this is what you chose as the most shameful? 

Well, to be fair, he said “my lifetime”.  

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On 3/31/2021 at 9:19 PM, dream big said:

Slavery, Jim Crow, Japanese internment, losing the Vietnam war, the Iraq war...and this is what you chose as the most shameful? 

I'm not getting in some dumb semantic argument about what's the worst thing the US has ever done.
 

The bottom line here is that delusional political extremists were actively encouraged by lies from the sitting president and stormed the capitol. And that is a very bad thing.  I don't know where it places on the ultimate scale of national shame but it's the worst thing I've seen since I've been paying attention to politics. 
 

Almost as concerning is the sheer number of non-extremist republicans who continued on the trump bandwagon as he devolved into increasingly desperate political lies and tantrums. It shows how few Americans have actual principles and how many want to just pick a team and root for that team at all costs. 

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As concerning as the billion plus dollars worth of damage and destruction that happened with the Democrat supported mobs in the summer of 2020?

More concerning? Less concerning? As concerning?

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9 hours ago, Guardian said:

As concerning as the billion plus dollars worth of damage and destruction that happened with the Democrat supported mobs in the summer of 2020?

More concerning? Less concerning? As concerning?

“I hope these riots continue”

Now sitting Vice President Kamala Harris. 

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14 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Didn’t she bail out rioters? Not saying she did or didn’t say the above. But actions speak louder than words.

No idea but a 2 second google search before you attribute quotes to folks is pretty simple.  Not pro harris in any way.  

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21 minutes ago, uhhello said:

No idea but a 2 second google search before you attribute quotes to folks is pretty simple.  Not pro harris in any way.  

Oh, hell no.

"Very fine people on both sides" never existed in reality, yet it became a weapon for four years.  Same for "I can see Russia from my front porch."

So, she said it.  True or not.

And she did raise money to bail out rioters.  Actions being even louder than non-existent words.

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3 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Oh, hell no.

"Very fine people on both sides" never existed in reality, yet it became a weapon for four years.  Same for "I can see Russia from my front porch."

So, she said it.  True or not.

And she did raise money to bail out rioters.  Actions being even louder than non-existent words.

Except she didn't say it.  

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15 hours ago, uhhello said:

Except she didn't say it.  

Not quite grasping the point here, are you?

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43 minutes ago, M2 said:

Not quite grasping the point here, are you?

Please enlighten me on the point of of someone attributing a quote to someone who didn't say it.  I thought it was pretty simple.  

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Please enlighten me on the point of of someone attributing a quote to someone who didn't say it.  I thought it was pretty simple.  

For the entire 4 years of the Trump presidency has critics and talk head representatives on any number of press sources have attributed statements directly to the president that didn’t happen or were taken completely out of context to construct false statements. Nobody in their camps complained or called them on it.

Guess what, the bar was permanent lowered. You can blame the lack of editorial integrity by the press when permitting false statements selectively to align with their greater political narrative. They had no problem bold face stoping or interrupting the office of the Executive often rudely to “correct the record.” So it’s obviously got nothing to do with attempting to maintain an honest record as the 4th estate.


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59 minutes ago, Lawman said:


For the entire 4 years of the Trump presidency has critics and talk head representatives on any number of press sources have attributed statements directly to the president that didn’t happen or were taken completely out of context to construct false statements. Nobody in their camps complained or called them on it.

Guess what, the bar was permanent lowered. You can blame the lack of editorial integrity by the press when permitting false statements selectively to align with their greater political narrative. They had no problem bold face stoping or interrupting the office of the Executive often rudely to “correct the record.” So it’s obviously got nothing to do with attempting to maintain an honest record as the 4th estate.


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So, what has happened to presidents since online media has been a thing? Copy.

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On 4/4/2021 at 1:44 PM, Lawman said:


For the entire 4 years of the Trump presidency has critics and talk head representatives on any number of press sources have attributed statements directly to the president that didn’t happen or were taken completely out of context to construct false statements. Nobody in their camps complained or called them on it.

Guess what, the bar was permanent lowered. You can blame the lack of editorial integrity by the press when permitting false statements selectively to align with their greater political narrative. They had no problem bold face stoping or interrupting the office of the Executive often rudely to “correct the record.” So it’s obviously got nothing to do with attempting to maintain an honest record as the 4th estate.


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You could substitute "8" for "4" as well as "Obama" for "Trump" and the statement would be equally accurate.  Both the right mainstream media and left mainstream media do it and we're all worse off as a result.  

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17 hours ago, Swamp Yankee said:

You could substitute "8" for "4" as well as "Obama" for "Trump" and the statement would be equally accurate.  Both the right mainstream media and left mainstream media do it and we're all worse off as a result.  

If you think the treatment of President Trump and President Obama by the press were similar you are completely delusional. 

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