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lol thanks biden for giving me permission...what a joke. and fauci your 15 minutes of fame is running out. hell i saw him on ESPN first take...no wonder the guy doesn't want this to end!

this is a free fucking country. 49% of it hasn't forgotten that fact.

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On 3/11/2021 at 6:57 PM, BashiChuni said:

lol thanks biden for giving me permission...what a joke. and fauci your 15 minutes of fame is running out. hell i saw him on ESPN first take...no wonder the guy doesn't want this to end!

this is a free fucking country. 49% of it hasn't forgotten that fact.

He's a fucking moron. The fact that they haven't come out and told vaccinated people that they can do whatever the hell that they want, now that all the data has been collected on the vaccine, is nearly criminal.

 

Our entire system of government is predicated on protecting power from any individual or small group, and this pandemic has been a resounding reinforcement of those dangers. I don't suspect there will be much honest analysis from the left on the pandemic, but thank god Florida, Texas, and a few other states had the nuts to do things their own way, so we can at least look back with definitive proof that the totalitarian answer to a pandemic was not successful.

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'Member that time when an election was challenged, courts ruled (or didn't hear it, same thing), and the election results were duly certified by the Congress?

Good times.

Unless you won your Iowa seat.  Then it being contested, recounted, ruled on by a court, then certified doesn't count.  The House will decide.

Good times.  Good and hard.  Quickly.

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Washington Post retracts story claiming Trump told Georgia Secretary of State official to "find fraud."

https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/the-washington-post-publishes-correction-on-trump-call-with-georgia-investigator/

The single anonymous source was the campaign manager for GA SecState.  Who made it up.  Proven by the finding, in a "delete" file, the actual recording of Trump to the investigating official.

Multiple other news organizations, who claimed to have also verified the now debunked story, relied on this same single source.

This story was used as "evidence" in the second impeachment proceeding.

But totally worth it.  There are no more mean tweets going out.

Sometimes, the end justifies the means...

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3 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Washington Post retracts story claiming Trump told Georgia Secretary of State official to "find fraud."

Most will overlook the importance of what is happening here.  The liberal press machine violated all ethical standards in order to weaponize itself against a President and control a negative narrative in order to remove him from power.  I HATE defending Trump....he is a loud mouth narcissist but some of the things he did were very good...all that being said the machine which enjoys special protections under the Constitution ran off the rails.  Trump said some shitty things that are on tape (comments on John McCain were horrific), and maybe that is enough to make you hate him...however, many of the "reported" things he said we completely fabricated but they were repeated over and over by the big hate networks as fact. 

What this retraction really shows is how far the press as an institution has fallen.  In the past if there was a negative report the press had a DUTY to confirm the story and the source.  It was part of their ethos.  What is going on now and what happened here is the WASHPO had one source who passed along the comments.  They did not bother to confirm...they other networks picked up the WASHPO story and they called the original source to confirm....and so on and so on and so on...The entire story was a fabrication from ONE person.  The EXACT same thing happened with the story about Trump's comments on dead soldiers at Arlington.  It was a fabrication from one source and when it was quietly retracted no one noticed and no one cared because the damage was done.  Perhaps the biggest failure was the Steele Dossier...opposition research, paid for by Hillary's campaign, used not only politically but also criminally.  The press ran with it and we had years of investigations.  Years later we learned the FBI and Intel community went through the report line by line and found much of the report was a complete fabrication...damage was done.

Again, maybe it doesn't make a difference with a President as divisive as Trump, but the bigger picture is the press which is supposed to the be 4th estate, neutral and in search of the truth, has been weaponized for one political party and that hasn't worked out very well in other countries.

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50 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

Washington Post retracts story claiming Trump told Georgia Secretary of State official to "find fraud."

https://triblive.com/news/politics-election/the-washington-post-publishes-correction-on-trump-call-with-georgia-investigator/

The single anonymous source was the campaign manager for GA SecState.  Who made it up.  Proven by the finding, in a "delete" file, the actual recording of Trump to the investigating official.

Multiple other news organizations, who claimed to have also verified the now debunked story, relied on this same single source.

This story was used as "evidence" in the second impeachment proceeding.

But totally worth it.  There are no more mean tweets going out.

Sometimes, the end justifies the means...

Wonder why they are bothering to retract the story?  No one except the 48% will continue to whine about it, so just keep going.

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5 minutes ago, GrndPndr said:

Wonder why they are bothering to retract the story?  No one except the 48% will continue to whine about it, so just keep going.

So they can claim purity...see we did our due diligence (finally).

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2 hours ago, GrndPndr said:

Wonder why they are bothering to retract the story?  No one except the 48% will continue to whine about it, so just keep going.

They didn't retract the story, it appears reading comprehension isn't strong among these commenters. They issued a correction which is substantially different. The story itself is materially the same: POTUS directly contacts a state elections official, urging them to scrutinize ballots in specific locations. Which is an absolutely mind blowing story by itself, and would only be acceptable in some banana republic. Now with the correction and the recovered recording, there's proof.

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18 minutes ago, Waingro said:

They didn't retract the story, it appears reading comprehension isn't strong among these commenters. They issued a correction which is substantially different. The story itself is materially the same: POTUS directly contacts a state elections official, urging them to scrutinize ballots in specific locations. Which is an absolutely mind blowing story by itself, and would only be acceptable in some banana republic. Now with the correction and the recovered recording, there's proof.

Don't let your bias cloud the facts.  Urging them to scrutinize ballots in certain locations is not illegal...the optics of how those votes came is was odd to some but they were ultimately validated and true votes...the LIE was saying the Trump said to "FIND THE FRAUD"...which is far closer to a crime but a complete fabrication.

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16 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Don't let your bias cloud the facts.  Urging them to scrutinize ballots in certain locations is not illegal...the optics of how those votes came is was odd to some but they were ultimately validated and true votes...the LIE was saying the Trump said to "FIND THE FRAUD"...which is far closer to a crime but a complete fabrication.

Correct, the "find the fraud" statement was verified not to have been said. Again though, the story wasn't retracted (as has been incorrectly and repeatedly stated in many posts above this one). Because the substance of the story is largely unchanged!

Even if it's a minority of Americans, how have this many of us been conditioned to be ok with POTUS contacting elections officials? The best of us are rightly horrified by this, as we would be if Hillary, Romney, McCain, Gore, or any other loser of the general election were to do the same. Nevermind that it was POTUS. 

Sources can be wrong and/or mislead. Newspapers print corrections as needed. This correction here isn't some shocking indictment on print journalism.

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1 hour ago, Waingro said:

Correct, the "find the fraud" statement was verified not to have been said. Again though, the story wasn't retracted (as has been incorrectly and repeatedly stated in many posts above this one). Because the substance of the story is largely unchanged!

Even if it's a minority of Americans, how have this many of us been conditioned to be ok with POTUS contacting elections officials? The best of us are rightly horrified by this, as we would be if Hillary, Romney, McCain, Gore, or any other loser of the general election were to do the same. Nevermind that it was POTUS. 

Sources can be wrong and/or mislead. Newspapers print corrections as needed. This correction here isn't some shocking indictment on print journalism.

If you can't see the difference, no need to continue the debate.

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1 hour ago, Waingro said:

Correct, the "find the fraud" statement was verified not to have been said. Again though, the story wasn't retracted (as has been incorrectly and repeatedly stated in many posts above this one). Because the substance of the story is largely unchanged!

Even if it's a minority of Americans, how have this many of us been conditioned to be ok with POTUS contacting elections officials? The best of us are rightly horrified by this, as we would be if Hillary, Romney, McCain, Gore, or any other loser of the general election were to do the same. Nevermind that it was POTUS. 

Sources can be wrong and/or mislead. Newspapers print corrections as needed. This correction here isn't some shocking indictment on print journalism.

A correction to a news story has traditionally been along the lines of "We said that Bob had brown hair.  In fact, he has blonde hair.  We regret the error."

This "correction" negates the entire story.  It's a big deal.  

Along with the many media outlets that also said they independently verified the story.

Every single one of those outlets used the same anonymous source.  One source connected to an important player in the story.  Basic integrity would seem to question the bias of that source and that other sources or facts need to be checked in order to have confidence in the original source.

But "Orange Man bad" was enough validity.

It directly corroborates the disbelief in journalism that exists.  If they'd lie, my word/"correct," your word this, what else have they reported on previously, or will in the future, that relies on such a single source?

Funny, the infamous Hunter Biden laptop story was suppressed because it was fake news - despite on the record sources, documentation of the FBI seizing said laptop, etc, etc, etc.

Yet this one anonymous source got front page/lead stories from the usual suspects and it's all good.

I believe some truth teller has the mantra "Democracy dies in darkness" boldly attached to their frontpage.  But nothing about truth.

Ok, the rules are known now.

 

And, Fatboy Slim aka "I coulda been Defense Minister" Vindmann wants to determine who can have access to information sources and decide for themselves:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-litigation-help-deradicalize-right-wing-media

 

Deciding what is good for people to know/have access to/make their own determination is a good gig if you can get it.

 

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1 hour ago, Waingro said:

Sources can be wrong and/or mislead. Newspapers print corrections as needed. This correction here isn't some shocking indictment on print journalism.

The “nothing to see here” argument may work if it were not for the cumulative amount of hypocrisy and deceit being displayed today by the media and in politics.  It is everywhere and people either willingly ignore it, are part of it or are misinformed by those who willingly ignore it or are part of it.  I believe it’s also why Biden doesn’t take questions.  His handlers know he’s not up to the task of answering for any of it without exposing the blatant hypocrisy.   Transparency and the truth will send this house of cards crashing down.  And that will be good for the majority of American citizens regardless of which side of the aisle you’re on.  

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So let's review this past week for this Administration:

13,000 kids in "not cages."

Russia recalls its ambassador; Putin challenges Biden to a debate which is declined.

China embarrasses the SecState in the first meeting with this Administration.

And Biden busts his ass not once, not twice, but three times climbing AF1 stairs.  On the same climb.  Good think it wasn't a ramp like Trump's or there'd be calls for a health evaluation...

 

But he has kept off Twitter so there's that win.

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