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On 12/12/2020 at 7:38 PM, brabus said:

Ballots....like I could have filled in bubbles for candidates, etc. Have shredded all of them. Asinine this shit happens, and way too often. 

Sample ballots in states have bubbles for candidates.

https://www.vbgov.com/government/departments/voter-registrar/Documents/Sample Ballots pdf files only/2020/November/SAMPLEBALLOT.pdf

In fact, sample ballots being burned accounted for a large portion of the fake voter fraud videos shared on social media.

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1 hour ago, Ligma C-5 said:

You woke up the angry leftists 😂

It's pretty entertaining to watch you think that any part of this was factual, relevant, or clever.

History is not going to look kindly on trumpers like you who insist on clinging to their alternate reality. But history books are written by  aCaDeMic LiBTarDs anyways so who cares what they think amirite?!!!

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On 12/1/2020 at 7:31 PM, Pooter said:

Barr will probably just be the next one in the administration to get canned like the last trump nominee who said the election was generally secure. You know.. as part of the completely normal administration turnover. 

It shouldn't be this easy to call something like this two weeks in advance. Just waiting on Rudy now for my "normal administration turnover" bingo card. 

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9 hours ago, Ligma C-5 said:

You woke up the angry leftists 😂

Nah, just people who actually care more about the country than we do about Trump's ego.

I wasn't rooting for Biden...but the man won the election.  Everything that's happened since is just serving to erode faith in the election system.  All to serve the whim of someone who has always played fast and loose with the rules.

I've benefited from the Trump presidency and I'd have been happy to see four more years...but it's time to let this one go, my man.

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On 12/15/2020 at 12:15 AM, TreeA10 said:

Yes, there were folks way out at the end of the spectrum that said some stupid $hit so true statement.  But that has been true ON BOTH SIDES for some time. 

Exactly. Simply pointing out your original argument that all of this legitimacy nonsense was a product of the last four years is false.  As you point out, it goes much further back.  

On 12/14/2020 at 8:00 PM, TreeA10 said:

The left already did this when they lost and spent the next four years denigrating the election process attributing collusion, Russian interference, Russian hacking, etc as causal factors to their candidate losing. We have swapped positions with the right now expressing doubts to the legitimacy of the system the left spent tearing down. Media consistency would go a long way towards repairing faith in the system but their blatant left leaning bias isn't going to let that happen.  

Personally, I think Newt Gingrich gets a lot of credit for putting us on the fractured course we’re on. Many here may disagree but I found this article to be an interesting read & you might too: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/

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4 hours ago, pawnman said:

Nah, just people who actually care more about the country than we do about Trump's ego.

I wasn't rooting for Biden...but the man won the election.  Everything that's happened since is just serving to erode faith in the election system.  All to serve the whim of someone who has always played fast and loose with the rules.

I've benefited from the Trump presidency and I'd have been happy to see four more years...but it's time to let this one go, my man.

This exactly. I voted for Trump twice and still think he was the best candidate in both elections. However, I haven’t seen anything that shows me there was actually widespread voter fraud. 
 

I do think there are some weak points in our system that need to be shored up, including a consistent system for mail in voting and a good way to track absentee ballots. I know of a case of someone voting absentee in a state they no longer lived in because they were lazy and hadn’t changed their ID or voter registration. Were things like that enough to sway the election? I don’t think so and haven’t seen any real evidence of it that convinces me. But, I do think we should always be striving to clean up even minor election discrepancies to ensure that all citizens can have faith in the process. 
 

Beyond that though, it’s not hard for me, even as a Trump voter, to see him losing. I personally know three women who voted for Trump in ‘16 and Biden in ‘20, based almost completely off his personality. It’s not hard to imagine there were millions more just like them. Trump’s greatest weakness was always his inability to STFU. I liked many of the things he did but frequently found myself cringing as he would immediately put his foot in his mouth seconds after a solid achievement. 
 

It’s time to turn the page and let the democrats lay in the bed they made themselves. Biden-Harris is still, imo, one of the worst pairings we’ve ever put into the White House. A half assed offering of a moderate who is likely losing his mental capacity and an unpopular leftist that comes from the most poorly run state in our country. If Trump would just exit the stage for a bit we might actually get the chance to see what a terrible offering this next presidency is going to be. 
 

 

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15 hours ago, Negatory said:

Sample ballots in states have bubbles for candidates.

https://www.vbgov.com/government/departments/voter-registrar/Documents/Sample Ballots pdf files only/2020/November/SAMPLEBALLOT.pdf

In fact, sample ballots being burned accounted for a large portion of the fake voter fraud videos shared on social media.

You know what actually surprises me, that there are dudes on here who apparently don’t see shit like this as a big deal. To the extent they either ignore it, or are incredulous to the fact it happens. To that point, you and others actually are trying to argue a well educated adult who has voted in many elections doesn’t know the difference between a ballot app vs. sample ballot vs. actual ballot. It’s laughable and sad at the same time, but enjoy keeping that cranium buried deep in the sand. 

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2 hours ago, kaputt said:

It’s time to turn the page and let the democrats lay in the bed they made themselves. Biden-Harris is still, imo, one of the worst pairings we’ve ever put into the White House. A half assed offering of a moderate who is likely losing his mental capacity and an unpopular leftist that comes from the most poorly run state in our country. If Trump would just exit the stage for a bit we might actually get the chance to see what a terrible offering this next presidency is going to be.

This is a fantastic point.  If he stays on message (which if you check his twitter...he will) the left will have that to point to for distraction for however long it lasts.  His lackeys will also cause this to happen. The fracturing of the Conservatives will continue to weaken the voting base.  It's not that weak now (re: House seats gained, kept Senate), but at some point there will probably be candidates Donny doesn't like..what happens then?  These folks are clamoring for either Trump to run again in 2024, or his kids to.  That's an automatic no from me and a lot of my friends.

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But, I do think we should always be striving to clean up even minor election discrepancies to ensure that all citizens can have faith in the process. 

We all need to get involved in local government.  Go to you city council meetings, volunteer at polling places, help with the elections.  Most of the "fraud" is based on ignorance of the process.  Saw the news that the "Dominion server crashed again!?!?!? maor fraud!"  Nah, servers crash all the time.  Hell all of Google was down a couple days ago.  Being an educated citizen isn't just knowing the facts on here, it's getting involved in what impacts you locally.

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41 minutes ago, brabus said:

You know what actually surprises me, that there are dudes on here who apparently don’t see shit like this as a big deal. To the extent they either ignore it, or are incredulous to the fact it happens. To that point, you and others actually are trying to argue a well educated adult who has voted in many elections doesn’t know the difference between a ballot app vs. sample ballot vs. actual ballot. It’s laughable and sad at the same time, but enjoy keeping that cranium buried deep in the sand. 

Because it's not. You did what any good citizen would do, and most would do.  Do you use the credit card applications you get in the mail with other people's names?  Do you have any evidence to send to team-Trump that this is the downfall of our election?

Ya'll want a perfect, and 100% secure process...we're humans, and democracy is dirty.  There will always be issues.

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18 hours ago, brabus said:

You know what actually surprises me, that there are dudes on here who apparently don’t see shit like this as a big deal. To the extent they either ignore it, or are incredulous to the fact it happens. To that point, you and others actually are trying to argue a well educated adult who has voted in many elections doesn’t know the difference between a ballot app vs. sample ballot vs. actual ballot. It’s laughable and sad at the same time, but enjoy keeping that cranium buried deep in the sand. 

Aircraft fly all the time, every second of the day. Unfortunately, sometimes they crash. Does it happen often? Statistically no, but it does happen. When one crashes are all aircraft grounded forever and redesigned? No. Historically the benefits outweigh the risk of flying. But statistically if aircraft continue to fly, they will also crash. If people still use voting to elect officials, you will have voting fraud.

What surprises me is that supposedly educated individuals on this forum are shocked that a system created by humans is not infallible. As someone said previously it’s almost like it’s willful ignorance. Does the election system have voting fraud? Yes, it happens every election. Is it rampant enough to swing an election? Historically and statistically the data tells us no. It’s only being highlighted by a false narrative because of a sore loser of a president. If it was as rampant as the president, and his supporters said it was, then some of those legal challenges probably would’ve not been tossed and rendered moot.

If the tables were turned and the Dems were bringing up the same voting fraud narrative, Trump supporters would be laughing all the way to Inauguration Day commenting how strong and fair the voting system is. If you don’t believe that, again willful ignorance. 

Good luck in 2024.

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On 12/15/2020 at 12:55 PM, brabus said:

You know what actually surprises me, that there are dudes on here who apparently don’t see shit like this as a big deal. To the extent they either ignore it, or are incredulous to the fact it happens. To that point, you and others actually are trying to argue a well educated adult who has voted in many elections doesn’t know the difference between a ballot app vs. sample ballot vs. actual ballot. It’s laughable and sad at the same time, but enjoy keeping that cranium buried deep in the sand. 

Yeah I mean, honestly, I don’t believe you. If you have pics or proof I’d like to see it.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-homeland-whistleblower-idUSKBN28R33L

Link just gives what could be some more info on all the protests last summer for those that were saying the violence was coming mostly from the left. This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but I’m sure diehard Trump supporters will deny it.


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37 minutes ago, slackline said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-homeland-whistleblower-idUSKBN28R33L

Link just gives what could be some more info on all the protests last summer for those that were saying the violence was coming mostly from the left. This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but I’m sure diehard Trump supporters will deny it.


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So, one thing that has stayed the same through all admin's that I've been an adult for - white supremacist/militia groups are the biggest threat of organized violence in our country.  Which I think is interesting, since in the 1800's, to early 1900's it was anarchist groups/communists that were the larger threats.

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4 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

So, one thing that has stayed the same through all admin's that I've been an adult for - white supremacist/militia groups are the biggest threat of organized violence in our country.  Which I think is interesting, since in the 1800's, to early 1900's it was anarchist groups/communists that were the larger threats.

I mean, there was that whole deal from 1861-1865.

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On 12/16/2020 at 8:42 AM, Sua Sponte said:

Does the election system have voting fraud? Yes, it happens every election. Is it rampant enough to swing an election? Historically and statistically the data tells us no.

On 12/15/2020 at 4:38 PM, 17D_guy said:

Because it's not.

Well you guys took my simple statement about voter ID and ran 90 left off the tracks. I don’t think trump won, nor did I even remotely argue there was enough fraud to change the course of the election; you just made wild assumptions based off me arguing we should have voter ID requirements. Get this train back on the tracks - what is a legitimate reason for skipping voter ID, yet requiring it for many other things (arguably less important than voting)? I honestly can’t think of a single one. 
 

I guess it’s also totally not a big deal when finance fucks up $15k of your pay for 1.5 years or a violent offender is released from prison and kills someone a week later. Yeah, no point in trying to make the process better, let’s just let it ride. Too much effort otherwise. God I hope this shitty attitude is just your internet persona and not what you actually practice in real life.

On 12/16/2020 at 9:14 PM, Negatory said:

Yeah I mean, honestly, I don’t believe you. If you have pics or proof I’d like to see it.

I’m not sure you even graduated college, let’s see that proof big shot. Unbelievable dude. 

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2 hours ago, brabus said:

what is a legitimate reason for skipping voter ID

I agree with you generally, but I can also see the other side of the argument, which is: voting is more important than most everything else that requires ID so barriers to voting should be lower. In other words, you should have to meet a high bar to keep someone from casting a vote, and in some cases voter ID laws smell like Jim Crow. Do I agree? Not really, but I get what they’re saying. 

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If republicans were willing to make it automatic issuance, free, easy and quick to replace then I'd be more for it...but what will happen is they will underfund whatever departments give them so getting or replacing the ID will essentially be a poll tax on time(money) for largely democratic voters who will have to weigh getting food to the table or renewing their voter ID because they changed their haircut and are afraid of being turned back at the polls.

Many studies have shown that it will disenfranchise largely democratic voters and drive down overall voter participation.  How many is too many to disenfranchise for a problem we can't even prove exists on a significant scale (see Kobach Commission after the "rampant" voting fraud in 2016 per Trump).  You are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist by creating more government involvement.  Everyone that can legally vote should vote, and we shouldn't be putting barriers to that.

Again I think for those of you who doubt our election system or think its super easy to scam should volunteer to work one.  It's not as easy as you'd think, and the employees it turns out take their job very seriously.

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3 hours ago, brabus said:

I’m not sure you even graduated college, let’s see that proof big shot. Unbelievable dude. 

I did some more research, and it turns out that you probably did get a ballot. A real one, so my bad. My original skepticism came from all the “ballots” that were thrown away or burned that turned out to be samples.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2622SZ

Also turns out it’s planned and normal and would require a proactive step from you or anyone else to commit voter fraud, so I still don’t see the issue.

EDIT: Also, you have to be a registered voter to get a ballot. What’s the problem here? Registered voters shouldn’t get a ballot unless they specifically request one? This isn’t like dems are sending ballots to illegal immigrants.

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3 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:

This thread just needs to end until next election.

Republicans need to move on from Trump and focus on how they’re going to attract new young voters and grow the party. The day he leaves office, Twitter is going to ban him, and he loses the most effective tool he has for promoting his message. I honestly feel like if the Senate goes D, we’re in for a unprecedented time in our nation. And Republicans need to have a productive counter narrative.

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