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1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

Odd, Colorado registered me to vote when they issued me an ID card, placed my signature on file, etc. When I voted they mailed it to my house, the address they put in my license. Once it was mailed to me I received emails and text updates on the status of my ballot. Don’t really understand where Parler is more secure than that?

I was just poking fun at the ID thing - it was half a joke (I don’t take Parler or any social media seriously), but on a serious note...

Colorado is a great example of a shit show. I haven’t been a resident or legal voter of that state for 7 years, and despite multiple emails to the SOS, I still receive ballots for every election. Haven’t had a CO license in the same amount of time. Same exact thing with Florida (but 4 years instead of 7). I could have voted three times this election - that’s ridiculous. Good thing I’m honest, but I guarantee a lot of people aren’t.

Its simple - require a current state ID to vote in said state. Don’t have one, then you’re not voting; want to vote, than you can put the effort into getting an ID. That would go a long ways to further securing elections.

 

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Complete and utter malarkey. ONE mainstream network went after Obama, Foxnews, some of it unwarranted Political tripe, some of it valid.  Meanwhile ALL of the remaining mainstream networks suppor

Want to slash American carbon?  Build nuclear power plants.  

When MSNBC announced Trump's win in Iowa, there was an audible grunt from Rachel Madow. By the sound of it, she apparently sat on her sack wrong. Happens to the best of us.

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23 minutes ago, brabus said:

I was just poking fun at the ID thing - it was half a joke (I don’t take Parler or any social media seriously), but on a serious note...

Colorado is a great example of a shit show. I haven’t been a resident or legal voter of that state for 7 years, and despite multiple emails to the SOS, I still receive ballots for every election. Haven’t had a CO license in the same amount of time. Same exact thing with Florida (but 4 years instead of 7). I could have voted three times this election - that’s ridiculous. Good thing I’m honest, but I guarantee a lot of people aren’t.

Its simple - require a current state ID to vote in said state. Don’t have one, then you’re not voting; want to vote, than you can put the effort into getting an ID. That would go a long ways to further securing elections.

 

And Washington did the same thing. You know what I did? I called them telling them I moved, tore up the ballot, and threw it away. Honest, sure. Not wanting to commit voter fraud in two states and also having possibly having the Feds indict you since it’s a general election is probably a bigger reason 😂 

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32 minutes ago, brabus said:

I was just poking fun at the ID thing - it was half a joke (I don’t take Parler or any social media seriously), but on a serious note...

Colorado is a great example of a shit show. I haven’t been a resident or legal voter of that state for 7 years, and despite multiple emails to the SOS, I still receive ballots for every election. Haven’t had a CO license in the same amount of time. Same exact thing with Florida (but 4 years instead of 7). I could have voted three times this election - that’s ridiculous. Good thing I’m honest, but I guarantee a lot of people aren’t.

Its simple - require a current state ID to vote in said state. Don’t have one, then you’re not voting; want to vote, than you can put the effort into getting an ID. That would go a long ways to further securing elections.

 

Ballots or ballot applications?

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

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Not later than 45 days after the conclusion of a United States election, the Director of National Intelligence, in consultation with the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies), shall conduct an assessment of any information indicating that a foreign government, or any person acting as an agent of or on behalf of a foreign government, has acted with the intent or purpose of interfering in that election. 

 

No later than date is coming up. 

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2 hours ago, Sim said:

maybe the report will include the servers in Germany and the green berets that died there trying to get it.

 

2 hours ago, Majestik Møøse said:

Here’s a group of bunch of Trump’s personality cult clowns that think the election was stolen. They hate the GOP now.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/protesters-chant-destroy-the-gop-at-pro-trump-rally-1102967/

Don’t be in this group.

WTF happened to my party.  States rights...when convenient.  Law and order...when convenient. Proud Boys running around like Brown Shirts.  Don't give whataboutism about Antifa...there's police for dealing with them.

Constitution...nah, keep screaming 4-more-years.

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51 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

maybe the report will include the servers in Germany and the green berets that died there trying to get it.

WTF happened to my party.  States rights...when convenient.  Law and order...when convenient. Proud Boys running around like Brown Shirts.  Don't give whataboutism about Antifa...there's police for dealing with them.

Constitution...nah, keep screaming 4-more-years.

Don’t worry man, most of your party are still the Silent Majority. They voted for Trump, but they know he lost, and now are appalled watching the Alex Jones crowd act like total fools. It is disappointing to see Republican leadership sit idly by and not throw down on the embarrassing factions.

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11 hours ago, Majestik Møøse said:

Don’t worry man, most of your party are still the Silent Majority. They voted for Trump, but they know he lost, and now are appalled watching the Alex Jones crowd act like total fools. It is disappointing to see Republican leadership sit idly by and not throw down on the embarrassing factions.

I'm not so sure you have the pulse of your party.  Two polls have shown 60%+ of republicans believe the election was rigged.  As for silent...I'd beg to differ based off what I've seen in my environment.  People scoffing at FoxNews, retreating to even safer safe-spaces of OANN and totallyrealnewsipromise.com websites, constant whinging and moaning about conspiracy theories at work.  The monster you created has turned on itself and began to eat.  That's why republican lawmakers are terrified to say Biden won in public because they will be targetted as a RINO by Cult45.  Trying to distance yourself from the crazy isn't really possible at this point.  Trump isn't going anywhere, and if he does move to purchase OANN and retains his cult over the next 4 years you will be dealing with him for a long time.  If there is one thing he is good at, it's staying in the spotlight.

 

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You can’t blame the average Republican voter for being upset after this election.

You had DNC-funded attorneys sue states with Democrat-headed Attorneys General/Boards of elections. They “settled” the court cases to get absentee ballot restrictions (passed by legislatures) changed, essentially doing a run-around of Republican controlled state legislatures.

You had the media and social media completely black out coverage of the Hunter Biden/China story. To the point that people were banned from tweeting about it because it was THAT wrong. Yet now the media agrees it’s a story? Only after their guy gets elected?

The Biden campaign wasn’t asked any hard, substantive questions during the campaign, and they never once complained about access, despite him calling a lid every morning. To the point that when they did get a chance to ask questions... they asked what ice cream he was eating.

The media effectively killed their credibility (or what little of it was left). So, the right is searching for their own media to fill the gaps. Yet they’re being called lunatics for creating new outlets outside of the liberal media establishment, when it was the “impartial” media that drove them to it.

The more the media shouts from the rooftops that the election was perfect, non-fraudulent and therefore Biden won... the more certain folks on the right call bullshit and believe the opposite. Because the media has lied the last 8/10 times, so what’s the chance they’re honest now?

Listen. I don’t like this shit either, and I think they’re wrong on a big chunk of it. But it helps to try and understand how they got here instead of painting them as redneck idiots.

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1 hour ago, Kiloalpha said:

You can’t blame the average Republican voter for being upset after this election.

You had DNC-funded attorneys sue states with Democrat-headed Attorneys General/Boards of elections. They “settled” the court cases to get absentee ballot restrictions (passed by legislatures) changed, essentially doing a run-around of Republican controlled state legislatures.

You had the media and social media completely black out coverage of the Hunter Biden/China story. To the point that people were banned from tweeting about it because it was THAT wrong. Yet now the media agrees it’s a story? Only after their guy gets elected?

The Biden campaign wasn’t asked any hard, substantive questions during the campaign, and they never once complained about access, despite him calling a lid every morning. To the point that when they did get a chance to ask questions... they asked what ice cream he was eating.

The media effectively killed their credibility (or what little of it was left). So, the right is searching for their own media to fill the gaps. Yet they’re being called lunatics for creating new outlets outside of the liberal media establishment, when it was the “impartial” media that drove them to it.

The more the media shouts from the rooftops that the election was perfect, non-fraudulent and therefore Biden won... the more certain folks on the right call bullshit and believe the opposite. Because the media has lied the last 8/10 times, so what’s the chance they’re honest now?

Listen. I don’t like this shit either, and I think they’re wrong on a big chunk of it. But it helps to try and understand how they got here instead of painting them as redneck idiots.

Don't forget, all this after indulging (and revering) Stacy Abrams in her fantasy of winning the Georgia election.

 

I don't like the reaction of the Republicans, but I understand it. Just like when the left screamed that a person's race was a critical element of their identity, then were shocked that white supremacists made a comeback. Be careful the rules you make, for others may follow them. 

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11 hours ago, Kiloalpha said:

You can’t blame the average Republican voter for being upset after this election.

I've had a lot of time to think about the points you brought up... mainly because they're an almost perfect transcript of the last month of the Ben Shapiro show. So while we're at it let's invoke another Shapiro-ism:

two things can be true at once. 
 

Thing 1: The mainstream media is biased garbage.

Thing 2: Republicans think the election was stolen because that's what their unhinged leadership is feeding them. 
 

So yes, I blame republicans for their reaction. I blame them for being stupid enough to accept giant conspiracy claims without adequate evidence.  I blame them for latching onto a dangerous narrative that could undo our entire system. And I blame trump for peddling this nonsense 25 times daily on his Twitter feed. 
 

I'm not saying the left wouldn't be doing this if they lost. And we can go round and round until the end of time arguing over whether democrats or republicans ruined political discourse first.  The bottom line here is we have a sitting president acting like a toddler who had their toy taken away, and half the country is enabling the tantrum. 

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The left already did this when they lost and spent the next four years denigrating the election process attributing collusion, Russian interference, Russian hacking, etc as causal factors to their candidate losing. We have swapped positions with the right now expressing doubts to the legitimacy of the system the left spent tearing down. Media consistency would go a long way towards repairing faith in the system but their blatant left leaning bias isn't going to let that happen.  

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1 hour ago, TreeA10 said:

The left already did this when they lost and spent the next four years denigrating the election process attributing collusion, Russian interference, Russian hacking, etc as causal factors to their candidate losing. We have swapped positions with the right now expressing doubts to the legitimacy of the system the left spent tearing down. Media consistency would go a long way towards repairing faith in the system but their blatant left leaning bias isn't going to let that happen.  

And before that, the right spent eight years arguing Barack Obama was an illegitimate Muslim born in Kenya. And before THAT, the right spent eight years arguing that Bill Clinton was illegitimate because Ross Perot had given him the 1992 election. Also, Newt was pissed Willy could get a blowjob on the job and he couldn’t. How deep down the rabbit hole do you want to dive for an argument that doesn’t justify what have become truly undemocratic actions by many people calling themselves Republicans?

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And before that, the right spent eight years arguing Barack Obama was an illegitimate Muslim born in Kenya. And before THAT, the right spent eight years arguing that Bill Clinton was illegitimate because Ross Perot had given him the 1992 election. Also, Newt was pissed Willy could get a blowjob on the job and he couldn’t. How deep down the rabbit hole do you want to dive for an argument that doesn’t justify what have become truly undemocratic actions by many people calling themselves Republicans?


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So your claim is the entire right or at least as many of the right as today said BO was illegitimate and all the other republican ideas were that the right was wronged?

Same thing for the left? As many on the left that thought Hillary should have won or that frump colluded or deserved to be impeached thought all of the previous potentially left thoughts?
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2 hours ago, Prozac said:

And before that, the right spent eight years arguing Barack Obama was an illegitimate Muslim born in Kenya. And before THAT, the right spent eight years arguing that Bill Clinton was illegitimate because Ross Perot had given him the 1992 election. Also, Newt was pissed Willy could get a blowjob on the job and he couldn’t. How deep down the rabbit hole do you want to dive for an argument that doesn’t justify what have become truly undemocratic actions by many people calling themselves Republicans?

Yes, there were folks way out at the end of the spectrum that said some stupid $hit so true statement.  But that has been true ON BOTH SIDES for some time.  Nothing surprising.  Also, the media has always had a left leaning bent but that veneer was taken off in the sheer hatred of Trump.  The long list of "mis-reported", some might call lies, allegations over the last 4 years is quite lengthy.  Trump said some stupid crap but the errors in reporting from anonymous sources lean one way and press credibility is in the dumpster.  Trump engaged the press while BIden hid.  Trump was asked and he answered a ton of questions, mostly hostile while Biden was asked piercing questions about his choice of ice cream or the media commented on his socks.  And then there was tanking the Hunter Biden story by the press to defend their candidate.  So, again, a large part of the population of our country has a reason to not trust the media or others in DC and wouldn't be surprised cheating happened.  A fair and impartial media would go a long way to solve that problem. 

No accounting for those former members of the Intel community making bogus claims of Russian false information in the Hunter Biden laptop case or the Trump Russian collusion fiction.  https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/13/hunter-biden-probe-politicized-intelligence-commun/

Media tanking the Hunter Biden story.  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/12/14/hunter_biden_news_should_shame_dismissive_media_outlets_144837.html

Politicians lie, say stupid crap, and get involved in money making schemes.  It's been going on for some time and we have survived it.  However, what scares me is the media, both news and social, have now taken deliberate steps to control information through commission of spreading false stories or the omission of reporting on stories deemed detrimental to one side.  I'm not sure we can survive if only one side is held accountable.

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4 minutes ago, TreeA10 said:

Yes, there were folks way out at the end of the spectrum that said some stupid $hit so true statement. 

Including the current Prez before he was elected.  I wonder if he was able to find the real birth certificate once he was sworn in?

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1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:

Including the current Prez before he was elected.  I wonder if he was able to find the real birth certificate once he was sworn in?

We can play "whatabout" tennis all day long and just keeping knocking that ball back and forth over the net.  Lord knows both sides have enough material to volley. 

Some polls are showing 36% overall of the population and 70% of Republicans lacking confidence in our voting system which translates to @ 50 million people.  Do you have any suggestions that might solve problems with faith in the election system going forward?  Or, do we accept the lack of confidence and let it fester?

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I think the issue is that most of the country believes that the lack of confidence is misplaced due to the President of the United States pushing a false narrative. Unless the President changes the narrative that 70% number will never change. 
 

Actual voter fraud and inconsistencies are secondary to the narrative Trump is pushing. 

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1 hour ago, TreeA10 said:

We can play "whatabout" tennis all day long and just keeping knocking that ball back and forth over the net.  Lord knows both sides have enough material to volley. 

Some polls are showing 36% overall of the population and 70% of Republicans lacking confidence in our voting system which translates to @ 50 million people.  Do you have any suggestions that might solve problems with faith in the election system going forward?  Or, do we accept the lack of confidence and let it fester?

Here's a wild suggestion: the sitting president of the United States could refrain from pushing conspiracy nonsense all day every day. 
 

It won't solve the problem completely, but trump conceding and working for a smooth transition would go a long way towards shutting up both CNN and the proud boys. 

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3 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

We can play "whatabout" tennis all day long and just keeping knocking that ball back and forth over the net.  Lord knows both sides have enough material to volley. 

Some polls are showing 36% overall of the population and 70% of Republicans lacking confidence in our voting system which translates to @ 50 million people.  Do you have any suggestions that might solve problems with faith in the election system going forward?  Or, do we accept the lack of confidence and let it fester?

Yea, the President can stop saying it was stolen and express confidence in the system with caveats for the non-election impacting amount of fraud that takes place. 

Otherwise, nope.  Trumpists will continue to claim for all time that it was a robbery otherwise. Same as when you get a toxic leader anywhere, it sucks until they're actually gone, but if they've convinced the minions to be toxic...it last for a long-long time.

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