Guest LumberjackAxe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 7:15 AM, ClearedHot said: Do you share the same sentiment on the topic of the Hunter Biden Laptop or do you just hand waive like the liberal hate machine, the mainstream media and the tech oligarchs? Whatever happened with that, other than twitter autoremoving posts? Was it real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ClearedHot Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 12 hours ago, LumberjackAxe said: Whatever happened with that, other than twitter autoremoving posts? Was it real? I believe it is part of an ongoing DOJ investigation. Speaking of investigations this was released yesterday "a new court filing by Special Counsel John Durham, alleges the Clinton campaign paid a technology company to "infiltrate" servers belonging to Trump Tower and later the White House to link Trump to Russia. How is this not breaking news on every station. She tried to rig the American Presidential election, then she tried to illegally overturn it ans seize power. Liberals don't care, she is now expected to speak at the NY Democratic Convention. I know I know, at least the mean tweets are gone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLEA Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: I believe it is part of an ongoing DOJ investigation. Speaking of investigations this was released yesterday "a new court filing by Special Counsel John Durham, alleges the Clinton campaign paid a technology company to "infiltrate" servers belonging to Trump Tower and later the White House to link Trump to Russia. How is this not breaking news on every station. She tried to rig the American Presidential election, then she tried to illegally overturn it ans seize power. Liberals don't care, she is now expected to speak at the NY Democratic Convention. I know I know, at least the mean tweets are gone. I don't want to believe that the US scores high for political corruption compared to other countries, but that is exactly where we are at. We've gotten to the point where it is acceptable for both sides to try and overturn or rig election results in an effort to keep power. It's not just Hilary and Trump either. This was a trend I've seen worsen in every election I've been alive. It involves the coordinated effort to delegitimize the sitting President as a means to erode their power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LumberjackAxe Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 This is simply too boring of a story to make any rounds outside of conservative publications. Hillary hired a law firm, who then hired someone who worked at an IT company who provided DNS services for the White House. He then selectively provided certain DNS requests to make it look like Trump’s office was secretly and frequently communicating with servers in Russia (which it turns out is extremely common with everyone in this day and age). This agent then lied under oath about who he was representing. sorry but this just isn’t that interesting in this day and age, and, contrary to what Trump says, this isn’t worse than Watergate. Illegal, yes, but we’ve already kind of set the standard that illegal doesn’t mean much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 8:43 AM, nsplayr said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/10/trump-records-classified/ “Some Trump records taken to Mar-a-Lago clearly marked as classified, including documents at ‘top secret’ level” I look forward to a robust condemnation from my single-issue voters who passionately care about the Presidential Records Act, document retention and classified storage 🤣 I keed…but only a little bit. Committing crimes is bad and folks should really try to avoid that. A) Same Washington Post that covered the Russia collusion stories? And how many other anti-Trump stories? But ok... B) I agree that mishandling classified material should be prosecuted. C) I think any Trump investigation regarding having illicitclassified should be investigated and prosecuted with the same level of diligence that former Sen/SecState Clinton received with having dozens of classified e-mails up to and including SAP/STO on her personal home server system. The deliberate destruction of public records, as demanded by the same NARA-related laws, can be discussed later. D) Anyone remember Sandy Berger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 6:55 AM, ClearedHot said: DoD lessons learned report is out and it is brutal, so ugly Biden rejected the findings during an interview on NBC last night. .... Uh, wait...I thought this was the trust the experts Administration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LumberjackAxe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I had to look up Sandy Berger, as I was but a wee lad at the time. Quote On July 19, 2004, it was revealed that the United States Department of Justice was investigating Berger for unauthorized removal of classified documents in October 2003 from a National Archives reading room prior to testifying before the 9/11 Commission. The documents were five classified copies of a single report commissioned from Richard Clarke covering internal assessments of the Clinton Administration's handling of the unsuccessful 2000 millennium attack plots. An associate of Berger said Berger took one copy in September 2003 and four copies in October 2003, allegedly by stuffing the documents into his socks and pants. Berger subsequently lied to investigators when questioned about the removal of the documents. In April 2005, Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington, D.C. Berger was fined $50,000, sentenced to serve two years of probation and 100 hours of community service, and stripped of his security clearance for three years The Justice Department initially said Berger only stole copies of classified documents and not originals, but the House Government Reform Committee later revealed that an unsupervised Berger had been given access to classified files of original, uncopied, uninventoried documents on terrorism. During the House Government Reform Committee hearings, Nancy Kegan Smith — who was the director of the presidential documents staff at the National Archives and Records Administration — acknowledged that she had granted Berger access to original materials in her office. On December 20, 2006, Inspector General Paul Brachfeld reported that Berger took a break to go outside without an escort. "In total, during this visit, he removed four documents ... Mr. Berger said he placed the documents under a trailer in an accessible construction area outside Archives 1 (the main Archives building)". Berger acknowledged having later retrieved the documents from the construction area and returned with them to his office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 23 hours ago, LumberjackAxe said: This is simply too boring of a story to make any rounds outside of conservative publications. Hillary hired a law firm, who then hired someone who worked at an IT company who provided DNS services for the White House. He then selectively provided certain DNS requests to make it look like Trump’s office was secretly and frequently communicating with servers in Russia (which it turns out is extremely common with everyone in this day and age). This agent then lied under oath about who he was representing. sorry but this just isn’t that interesting in this day and age, and, contrary to what Trump says, this isn’t worse than Watergate. Illegal, yes, but we’ve already kind of set the standard that illegal doesn’t mean much Wait...this isn't worse than Watergate? Breaking in to the political headquarters of a rival is despicable, banana republic type crap, and Nixon paid for it (well, he paid for lying). This is worse, Clinton paid to hack WHITE HOUSE servers, the communications of a sitting president. When they didn't find anything they made up a story and inserted into the press which led to an impeachment. There isn't a separation of liability and responsibility just because they hired a law firm. The imported the very people that tried to overthrow a sitting president and they are now in power! Look no further than the dude that led this effort, he is now the sitting National Security Advisor...you don't seen the nexus and how this is far worse? 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 What ClearedHot said. Breaking the law to get potential dirt on your opponent is bad. Breaking the law to frame a sitting president in order to overturn an election is really bad. If Trump had done this to Biden, we would not be able to see any other story on TV for the next 6 months. Of an interesting academic note to ponder about those records; my understanding is that the executive branch makes all classification decisions. As the President is the ultimate executive authority, I don't think a President can actually break the law regarding the handling of classified materials. If he reveals Top Secret information to the press, he just declassified it. Clearly not a good idea, but if the records were moved while he was President, it would be interesting to see if he could actually be prosecuted for it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prozac Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Smokin said: What ClearedHot said. Breaking the law to get potential dirt on your opponent is bad. Breaking the law to frame a sitting president in order to overturn an election is really bad. If Trump had done this to Biden, we would not be able to see any other story on TV for the next 6 months. Of an interesting academic note to ponder about those records; my understanding is that the executive branch makes all classification decisions. As the President is the ultimate executive authority, I don't think a President can actually break the law regarding the handling of classified materials. If he reveals Top Secret information to the press, he just declassified it. Clearly not a good idea, but if the records were moved while he was President, it would be interesting to see if he could actually be prosecuted for it. So basically what you’re saying is… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LumberjackAxe Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 8 hours ago, ClearedHot said: Clinton paid to hack WHITE HOUSE servers No one hacked anything. The dude in question is on trial for perjury, not for illegally accessing a computer system. This was a fellow who unethically used his position in the IT company that legally controlled these networks to access DNS logs, which he had legal access to. Unethical, yes, but not illegal. The illegal part is when he lied about who he was working with. And this has nothing to do with Trump's impeachment, he was impeached for his Ukraine phone call, because, as we've all seen, there never was any collusion to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 22 hours ago, LumberjackAxe said: This was a fellow who [...] Ok, I'm confused here. Are you saying that the man on trial was part of a White House Fellowship, or are you wearing a smoking jacket while typing BODN posts? Honest question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 or are you wearing a smoking jacket while typing BODN posts?https://imgur.com/KzPvhSn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/14/2022 at 5:10 PM, Prozac said: So basically what you’re saying is… Not even remotely close, but nice try. With the specific regard to classification, the President is the ultimate authority (as I understand it, I could be wrong). Not breaking and entering, not obstruction, not murder, not any other crime. So unique that I can't even think of a reasonable analogy to make about it. Not saying that I agree with it or with the person, but merely an interesting point to ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeA10 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) On 2/14/2022 at 4:41 PM, LumberjackAxe said: No one hacked anything. The dude in question is on trial for perjury, not for illegally accessing a computer system. This was a fellow who unethically used his position in the IT company that legally controlled these networks to access DNS logs, which he had legal access to. Unethical, yes, but not illegal. The illegal part is when he lied about who he was working with. And this has nothing to do with Trump's impeachment, he was impeached for his Ukraine phone call, because, as we've all seen, there never was any collusion to begin with. Some stories keep bringing up Georgia Tech along with this IT guy. So far, it sounds to me like there was a government contract to do work with governmental IT systems. I'm not an IT guy but I'd guess there were classifications and clearances given, Non-disclosure agreements signed , etc. associated with that contracted work. Violating those clearances and NDAs probably come with a criminal statute and sentencing guidelines. Sharing government data probably violated both. Edited February 16, 2022 by TreeA10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dream big Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 18 hours ago, ClearedHot said: It’s okay! He’s a democrat. It’s allowed. Along with his blatant past racist statements. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FLEA Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) Holy shit people we've come full circle..... https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2022/03/03/biden-lower-inflation-plan/9341221002/ Edited March 4, 2022 by FLEA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Holy shit people we've come full circle..... https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2022/03/03/biden-lower-inflation-plan/9341221002/When questioned on details for his plan the President responded he was, “going to make America great, once more…” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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