Clark Griswold Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Wondering if we will see more of this with the rise of "Grey Zone" warfare: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/23/world/americas/colombia-airline-flights-venezuela.html?_r=0 There was no specific mention of a loss of separation but it was enough to get a "sharp diversion". China seems to be practicing this also: https://www.lawfareblog.com/chinas-harassment-civilian-ships-and-aircraft-south-china-sea-reminds-us-why-we-need-more-us-freedom This article and referenced speech imply they make no distinction or even attempt at distinguishing between civil and military traffic for interception or harassment. Could ICAO as a governing body respond? Suspension or some or all certifications or reciprocity of certifications? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Intercept of Iranian civil registered A310: https://theaviationist.com/2015/04/30/rsaf-intercept-a310-sanaa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 (edited) Restart on old thread: https://simpleflying.com/el-al-flight-radio-hijac-attempt-somali-airspace/ Edited February 19 by Clark Griswold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaputt Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Was this really a cyber attack, or just some terrorists who found their best English speaking pal to try and pretend to be ATC on the VHF frequency the El Al flight was already on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeA10 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) Sounds like a CPDLC hack. The re-route was sent but not accepted, certainly not executed. Pilots asked for further info via VHF or HF. For those not familiar: CPDLC is a data link with the regional controlling agency. You can swap messages, requests altitude or route changes, and more. Onthe 787, The controlling agency can send route changes and the pilots can ACCEPT, IGNORE, or CANCEL the incoming message. If the pilots push ACCEPT, the route is loaded into the FMS but you still have to press EXECUTE on the FMS to enter and activate the change. Edited February 19 by TreeA10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 From some discussion on our internal pilot forum, my understanding is that it was voice. The actual ATC controller told them to refer to CPDLC and ignore VHF attempts. It was a female voice and the guys felt if was not the real controller and queried. We fly thru that area quite a bit. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 More on the incident Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Seems overblown as a “threat” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 Seems overblown as a “threat” Depends as it all ended well, had it been a less security conscious carrier it might have ended differently Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaputt Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I’ll follow up on my post though and say that something that could be a dangerous development, even over VHF voice channels, is did they use some sort of AI spoofing tech to closely match the voice of the on-shift controller? I saw that mentioned on Reddit. No idea if that’s what happened but that would actually be a concerning threat to civil aviation since VHF frequencies are not hard to access. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Guys there’s not a lot of ATC control over Somalia. Pretty easy to figure that out…and ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slc Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, BashiChuni said: Guys there’s not a lot of ATC control over Somalia. Pretty easy to figure that out…and ignore it. This.....as someone who recently flew into/around/and over I can vouch for that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Israeli El Al Alleges Hackers Targeted Flights in Mid-Air Hijack Attempt (hackread.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 Not exactly civil traffic but close enough for this thread: https://www.twz.com/news-features/gps-jamming-of-u-k-defense-secretarys-jet-highlights-russias-regional-ew-activities Interesting read with good embedded links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) I fly the black sea corner routinely as civil traffic. Couple months ago we made the turn and completely unmasked our GPS antennas to face north and immediately got an ANP of 20+. It's a bit of a hazard. Edited March 20 by FourFans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 19 hours ago, Clark Griswold said: Not exactly civil traffic but close enough for this thread: https://www.twz.com/news-features/gps-jamming-of-u-k-defense-secretarys-jet-highlights-russias-regional-ew-activities Interesting read with good embedded links Been going on for over a year, severely affecting our mil platforms as well, and we haven’t done s$&t about it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 Been going on for over a year, severely affecting our mil platforms as well, and we haven’t done s$&t about it..I guess we could jam in response I’m fine with that but not sure what else non kinetic we could doIt’s bullshit and I’m not sure being the bigger man and not retaliating (openly) is a viable COA going forward We just seem to be content letting assholes screw around with usSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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