Wolf424 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Quick Revival Anyone know why we use the word "Fox" for air to air weapons employment? Plenty out there on what the different types are but thats all old hat. Where did the use of this word come from? 10 sec wiki search produced... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_(code_word) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 which still didn't answer his question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Fox is a brevity code used by NATO pilots... Brevity codes are designed to convey complex information with a few words. Using the codes eases coordination and improves understanding during multiservice operations. Clear now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf424 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) edit: M2 posted exactly what I said Edited June 5, 2009 by TheWolf424 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chutdoggin Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Nope... I get why we say the word... where did it originate? Is it some type of acronym or did it stem from some other use of the word? I have thoroughly studied both of those pages and countless others in the past couple days - im looking for the hard to find stuff here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf424 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Nope... I get why we say the word... where did it originate? Is it some type of acronym or did it stem from some other use of the word? I have thoroughly studied both of those pages and countless others in the past couple days - im looking for the hard to find stuff here. I doubt it's an acronym, considering we use terms like "No Joy", "Tally", "Ziplip", etc. and I highly doubt those are acronyms. Probably just some Col that needed that final bullet to get his star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Nope... I get why we say the word... where did it originate? Is it some type of acronym or did it stem from some other use of the word? I have thoroughly studied both of those pages and countless others in the past couple days - im looking for the hard to find stuff here. Listen closely...they are brevity codes! Terms that are easier to use and are universally understood. Why the term 'Fox' is used to indicate simulated/actual launch of air-to-air weapons is not known, as are all the others (e.g. 'Chicks' for friendly aircraft, etc). Same goes with the NATO nomenclatures for Russian/former Soviet Union hardware, i.e. FULCRUM, FLANKER, etc. other than they all began with the letter 'F' and were fighters (as were bombers began with 'B,' cargo aircraft 'C' and helicopter 'H'). Why those specific names were picked is unknown. Don't strain your brain in trying to figure out the logic behind this stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Yoke monkey - pilot Stick actuator - pilot Flight control actuator - pilot Meat servo - pilot Voice-actuated autopilot - pilot Side-sitting switch bitch - flight engineer Wrench bender - mechanic Tin bender - sheetmetal specialist / metalsmith Bubble chaser - hydraulics specialist Tweak - avionics specialist Tron chaser - avionics specialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RescueRandy Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 A couple off the top of my head, some exclusive to the rotary-wing world. "Rotorhead" - Helo Pilot FE - Flight Engineer PJ - Pararescueman ETL - Effective Translational Lift LTE - Loss of Tailrotor Effectiveness EP - Emergency Procedure "Auto" - Autorotation GK - General Knowledge Fun fun! I'll have to think of a few more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 PIO - Pilot Induced Oscillations PIS - Pilot Induced Shittiness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpin Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 FCP - Front Cockpit or Front Cockpit Pilot RCP - Rear Cockpit IP - Instructor Pilot SP - Student Pilot CS - Callsign TOT - Take-Off Time or Time Over Target Chock Time - when the aircraft has to be shut down (usually misspelled as "Chalk") Z - Zulu time, similar to Greenwich Mean Time CT - continuation training (all instructors / no students) Pattern terminology: Norm - normal pattern NF - No-Flap pattern / landing GA - Go-Around BO - Break Out ELP - Emergency Landing Pattern Formation terminology: XU - crossunder RJ - rejoin BO - breakout ET L3 - extended trail level 3 CT - close trail ECH - echelon turn WW - wingwork PO - pitchout MOA - Military Operations Area STAR - Standard Terminal ARrival FLIP - FLight Information Publication (?) TCN - Terminal Change Notice (update to the FLIP) SR - Slow Route VR - Vis Route IR - Instrument Route ...all very useful in filling out an SUPT lineup card! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Chock Time - when the aircraft has to be shut down (usually misspelled as "Chalk") Chock - A block of wood, rubber, or plastic that is placed in front of and behind a tire or tires, to keep an aircraft/vehicle from rolling. Chalk - The personnel and equipment that make up a single load of an aircraft/vehicle. * Note - "chalk" is an Army & Air Force term. The Navy & Marines use the term "stick". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Well it seems a little pilot centric in here... ("and the nomination for Understatement of the year...") A few non-pilot, but aircrew acronyms: SN: Student Navigator IN: Instructor Navigator EN: Evaluator Navigator (an instructor of an IN; also handles checkrides) EWO: Electronic Warfare Officer (usually jabbers on interphone incessantly, but when he mentions a missile launch, his voice suddenly becomes God's...) TOT: Time on target ATCAA: Air Traffic Control Advisory Area (an area, usually above a MOA, that is sometimes used by military aircraft) SWAG: Scientific Wild Ass Guess WWLMD: What would LeMay Do? Falcon 232: Pardon me, Nav. But if it's not too much trouble would you mind telling us where the f*** we are?!?! see http://tailspinstales.blogspot.com/2007/08/faclon-codes.html for more Falcon codes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 (edited) One last story: When I was flying C-130Es at the schoolhouse, we had to do an ERO for student training. Our ERO block was on the back end of our line, so it made sense to just do it in parking prior to shutting down. We had even gotten an overfly, so when we taxied to park, we were the only Herk with engines still running. When the Nav made the 30 minute out call, he had requested ATOC support for the ERO. We pulled into parking and the loads stated there was no K-loader in sight, so we called CP again and asked if ATOC was on the way. They said they made the initial call but would check. A few minutes later, CP called back and stated that ATOC was "MOG'd out". My reply was "What's their MOG? Zero?" CP stated "sorry sir, they said they are swamped and too busy to support". Amazing. We're the only airplane with engines running...everyone else had shut down and gone home for the night, and we were the only aircraft in our ERO block to be scheduled with ATOC for an ERO...yet they were "MOG'd out". Interesting. And the opportunity to learn shows itself! I love baseops for this... The irony is not lost on me that a CAF guy was out acronym'd by a MAF guy... And the reaction you had BQZip was exactly how 90% of the MAF guys react when it happens - "does not compute = not important to me = scoff." CAF guys talk like this all the time, leaving their MAF bros in the dust during briefings, standups, integration exercises, etc. Ive seen CAF GO's stop a briefing because the dude on stage was out-abbreviating the leadership. Hilarious, but also lame. Good lesson on know your audience - its tough to not talk down to one ground and not pander to another. ERO - Engine Running Offload CP - Command Post MOG - Max on Ground (a factor in how much cargo can be downloaded and processed at the same time, but also of physical ramps space - i.e. MOG is different for C-5s and C-130s) ATOC - Air Terminal Operations Center - the AMC guys who do cargo transfer Chuck Edited October 16, 2010 by Chuck17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 My bad, but as pointed out before, I'm not the first to throw out acronyms that confused! I manage to learn something when you CAF dudes fling acronyms around...here's your chance! If I throw an acronym out there that isn't common knowledge, I almost always provide a translation. I also take the time to learn what acronyms are before using them: How many of you know what these acronyms stand for (not just what they are) without looking them up: Medical:MRI Military:CALCM Biology:DNA Football:PAT Military:AWACS Military:ALICE Military:LNO Military:HMMWV Military:MOLLE Military:MOPP Military:SCIF Military:JDAM You'll probably get a few. Short version, we're all guilty of it. Just spell them out if they aren't 100% clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 Sorry...jet is broke and I'm bored...thanks for the thread relief. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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