Lumbergh Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Still not sure on the rationale about how these are being handed out; have any 11M C-130(H/J) individuals got a confirmed vsp response yet? We seem to be lacking in confirmed notifications compared to pretty much every other 11M airframe. My post from 2 days ago below Approved! '06 11M 3 yrs 5 mo UPDT ADSC RDTM - HB (C-130) Drank a beer immediately. Good luck to those still waiting Edited May 21, 2014 by Lumbergh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chizz Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 had an 05 11M IP approved yesterday at the rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mish_Hacker Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Dear AFPC, Please consider adjusting your communication process. A weekly (sometimes) update that reads like a staff meeting powerpoint slide to your superiors (ie processed x of y applicants with z ineligible) shows that you check the box for "communication" and "timely updates," but it provides marginal utility to those who NEED the information only you can provide. Likewise, any time you take an action that raises questions (like approving a bazillion 11M applications on one day while not processing others), you should consider releasing a statement then. For example on Monday afternoon send an email/Tweet/FB post/Pulse, "Due to the variations in final considerations of Force Management numbers from different components of Air Staff, AMC pilot applications are being processed first. We anticipate Air Staff approval/disapproval for 11X applications by ____day, and will notify those members as soon as ____day. Additionally, we have updated the FY14 voluntary matrix based off of the applicants already notified. It is attached/available on MyPers. This information is also being sent to your local FSS and commanders. If you have any specific questions regarding your year group/afsc status, please contact your commander who will have direct access to their equivalent here at AFPC. Thanks for your patience, and may the odds be ever in your favor." Love, The "Hopefuls" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mish_Hacker Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Dear AFPC, Please consider adjusting your communication process. A weekly (sometimes) update that reads like a staff meeting powerpoint slide to your superiors (ie processed x of y applicants with z ineligible) shows that you check the box for "communication" and "timely updates," but it provides marginal utility to those who NEED the information only you can provide. Likewise, any time you take an action that raises questions (like approving a bazillion 11M applications on one day while not processing others), you should consider releasing a statement then. For example on Monday afternoon send an email/Tweet/FB post/Pulse, "Due to the variations in final considerations of Force Management numbers from different components of Air Staff, AMC pilot applications are being processed first. We anticipate Air Staff approval/disapproval for 11X applications by ____day, and will notify those members as soon as ____day. Additionally, we have updated the FY14 voluntary matrix based off of the applicants already notified. It is attached/available on MyPers. This information is also being sent to your local FSS and commanders. If you have any specific questions regarding your year group/afsc status, please contact your commander who will have direct access to their equivalent here at AFPC. Thanks for your patience, and may the odds be ever in your favor." Love, The "Hopefuls" Or you could just run with the topics you have: Eligible officers may apply for advanced degree, experience programsMay 16 – Pulse on AF force managementAirmen can modify myPers home page to make searches easierTake 'FIVE' to get free money for your TSP account 1CMSAF Cody visits members of Tops In BlueShaw Air Force Base warrior shoots for goldMorale, Welfare, Recreation Customer Survey Rolls OutAF releases regional affairs strategist region, language assignments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Fellas - thoughts: A lot of you are leaving - a lot of you are IPs and highly qualified for leadership or other positions of significance in the company.... We all know that Sr. Leadership gets fed certain amounts of info, or reads info posted here. It's a way to get the pulse... I'd suggest starting a thread with the intent of stating, in plain English, your numbered reasons for wanting to voluntarily leave the force. Do not let it get out of control. Do not stoop to a ritual bitch-fest. Keep the snark and sarcasm to a minimum. Keep your egos in check and write calmly for the rest of us(them) to see. Maybe your true message (vote with your feet) can be heard by someone who will someday make a difference. I'd like to talk to each of you, but there is more to be gained from the group as a mosaic. Please consider the above. Cheers! Chuck 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 had an 05 11M IP approved yesterday at the rock Chizz, H or J? Not to get too deep into this but I think this will make a big difference, if anyone is paying attention. After the last VSP debacle, I would hope that we figured out we couldn't let out all the IPs. I think we will make the same mistakes again. I hope I am wrong. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 wasn't this website hurting for traffic a few months ago? maybe AFPC was just looking out for BODN... to the parolees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim richalds Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Chuck: thats a good idea, but since I got approved, I have had 50+ Air Force members congratulate me, including my Sq/CC and DO. I had ONE person ask me why I wanted to get out. I think people know whats wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneIP Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 0917 email this morning "This is to inform you that HQ AFPC has disapproved the voluntary separation application"... oh well, time to PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Chuck: thats a good idea, but since I got approved, I have had 50+ Air Force members congratulate me, including my Sq/CC and DO. I had ONE person ask me why I wanted to get out. I think people know whats wrong. Chim - I hear you, and I'm one of the first to say thanks for what you've done, what you've endured. Let me put this another way, and show you why I'm asking for something like this: few vehicles existed to collect this kinda data when the same thing happened in 2006. Maybe no one really cared... I'm an amateur historian, and I constantly run into interview subjects who thought that their story was not worth telling, that nothing could be gleaned from their experience, or that their experience was so common - why bother? (Particularly the WWII generation). I also find myself constantly asking "why" something happened, with no primary sources to consult... So, instead of assuming that everyone knows what is wrong (I do), or focusing on how many people have congratulated you vs. asked why you were leaving, maybe consider that your leaving is in itself a monumental occasion, or at the very least part of one. Many voices are louder than one, even if they say the same thing. My response to your quip about knowing what is wrong is, "Yeah, no shit. And nothing will change or get better..." At the very least if you tell people what is wrong, why you left, there is some documentation of it, other than an approved VSP application message on a faceless message board. Or, ignore the idea altogether - I have a thick enough skin, it won't bother me. But don't engage, say "people know what is wrong" and thus say everything and nothing at the same time. A simple "Fuck it, I'm out" would suffice. Chuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWAC'ER Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Chim - I hear you, and I'm one of the first to say thanks for what you've done, what you've endured. Let me put this another way, and show you why I'm asking for something like this: few vehicles existed to collect this kinda data when the same thing happened in 2006. Maybe no one really cared... I'm an amateur historian, and I constantly run into interview subjects who thought that their story was not worth telling, that nothing could be gleaned from their experience, or that their experience was so common - why bother? (Particularly the WWII generation). I also find myself constantly asking "why" something happened, with no primary sources to consult... So, instead of assuming that everyone knows what is wrong (I do), or focusing on how many people have congratulated you vs. asked why you were leaving, maybe consider that your leaving is in itself a monumental occasion, or at the very least part of one. Many voices are louder than one, even if they say the same thing. My response to your quip about knowing what is wrong is, "Yeah, no shit. And nothing will change or get better..." At the very least if you tell people what is wrong, why you left, there is some documentation of it, other than an approved VSP application message on a faceless message board. Or, ignore the idea altogether - I have a thick enough skin, it won't bother me. But don't engage, say "people know what is wrong" and thus say everything and nothing at the same time. A simple "###### it, I'm out" would suffice. Chuck Well when you say it like that! Haha! Good idea. Thanks Chuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim richalds Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Good rebuttal Chuck, I wasn't trying to be dismissive. The Dear Boss and whats wrong with the Air Force threads capture most of the common grievances that people have these days. I will say that being stuck in the C-17/RPA flesh trade made my decision easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Still nothing here. I called the TFSC yesterday and all the lady could tell me is 'Your VSP application is still pending.' I think she was looking at the denial and didn't have the heart to tell me. I can't believe we notify people of life altering news by e-mail now. It ranks right up there with the "Congratulations, you've been selected for a 365 ITDY to Kabul!" emails. I think the lack of approvals today is a bad sign. What little hope I have left is disappearing rapidly. Congratulations to all of those approved, I fear what life will be like after the exodus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 So, instead of assuming that everyone knows what is wrong (I do), or focusing on how many people have congratulated you vs. asked why you were leaving, maybe consider that your leaving is in itself a monumental occasion, or at the very least part of one. Many voices are louder than one, even if they say the same thing. Good idea chuck. Thread created in this forum. Go forth and prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjax Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Moose, no response for me too. If and when I get the denial, I will send it right back for the FY15 VSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mish_Hacker Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 VSP denied. No longer eligible for RIF. 2005 11B. ADSC oct 16 for UPT, dec 16 for GI bill. Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilot-99999 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) I am not sure where this leaves those of you waiting for word on VSP... This morning I was approved for TERA - 1 Sep 14! (16 years) (I am a 1998 yr group, 11M core serving in 18X with ADSCs for PCS Aug 2015 and ADV Flying Training NOV 2016) Good luck to the rest of you... may the leak in the dam continue flowing. Edited May 21, 2014 by pilot-99999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjax Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Dissaproved 07 11M working RPA position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 2007 11M doing RPAs at Creech just got my disapproval. FML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2flyagainsoon Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 TERA approved 11M (130J) @LRF UPT ADSC 2017 06 year group Just over 19 yrs total with my E time Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjax Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Already filled out FY15s, will submit tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuggie Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I know of at least 3 other 2008 11Ms who got approved for VSP. Two are -135 guys and one is a C-17 (I think). I can't tell you their ADSCs, I'm just passing along what I've seen on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtndr Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 This is hilarious- I was on the phone with TFSC asking about how to apply for FY15 VSP tomorrow without a FY14 approval or denial, when a denial email appeared in my inbox. Me: 'you know what, never mind. I just got a denial email.' TFSC: 'no ma'am, that's from me. That's an email we send to customers when they call with questions.' Me: 'no, it's an email telling me my application was denied.' TFSC: 'are you sure? It's not showing that in CMS...' Unbelievable! I should've PC'd earlier, I hope it's not too late... '06 11M, ~4 years UPT ADSC, KC-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I will say that being stuck in the C-17/RPA flesh trade made my decision easy. Lotta' that going around... You have my sympathy, and my congratulations, brother. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneIP Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 So if my year group/AFSC/RTDM is closed out is there any sense in applying for FY15 VSP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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