TacAirCoug Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I saw Hueypilot's post about this in the MC-12 thread, but in the interest of separating the two incidents I'm starting a new thread. Crash: National Air Cargo B744 at Bagram on April 29, 2013, aircraft lost height shortly after takeoff... Godspeed brothers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Probably worked that tail number numerous times when it passed through OAMS which goes hand in hand with knowing the crew members. They have been moving allot of MRAPS out of theater and other up armored vehicles putting them on cookie sheets compared to a 463L pallet. RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lj35driver Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 We just had a crew in there who watched the jet arrive. They were stuck for awhile waiting on the winds to die down. He was the only heavy who managed to land when the winds were called 100@29G42. Several aircraft had declared fuel emergencies because the winds were terrible everywhere. Shortly before, they think they saw a downburst hit on the approach end to 03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 There are reports that the crew reported a load shift after departure. Similar to the Fine Air 101 mishap out of MIA in the 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Grapevine speculation on over rotation, I would look hard at the form F , the TCN's they have loading are not known for following standards. Maybe a load shift to aft CG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 damn. This month has not been a good month for mishaps at BAF (2 fatal Class As and a Class B). A Toast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Apparently there were a lot of witnesses...reports are that the nose went "near vertical" and it came "straight back down".Don't forget the Class A out of Kandahar too...when I worked SEF out there it was common for the two safety offices to help each other out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacAirCoug Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 http://theloadstar.co.uk/breaking-news-national-air-cargo-crash-at-bagram/ This article echoes Huey's comments, but the most chilling part is the description at the bottom from one of the commenters who apparently witnessed the accident: I witnessed this crash today and there was no Taliban involvement. I can tell you this for sure – the 747 took off and commenced a quite steep climb out, not unusual for here, then one of two things happened. In my opinion either the strong head wind or a micro up burst caused it to pitch upward at what looked to be at least 85deg. Nose up or the cargo shifted to the rear and caused it to nose up. It then did what all swept wing aircraft do in a stall and pitched left at about 1200 Ft AGL, then it seemed like the pilot tried to correct and it pitched right and headed for the ground just before impact. It looked like it had flattened out to nearly level but had very little or no forward speed – what followed was the ground shook, followed by a large ball of fire and a huge black cloud of smoke. I truly wish I had not seen this, but I did, and my prayers and thoughts go out to all involved – both on board and the family and loved ones of the crew and passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Damn...they had to know they were done. That sucks. RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 All it takes is one tie down not done correctly. At OAMS I've seen USAF ATOC personnel walk away from a NAC bird due to some shady stuff being done refusing to be part of it to protect themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf424 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 A toast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacAirCoug Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Video of the crash from a dashcam is up now on liveleak.com. It is not easy to watch. ETA: Looking at the video, all of the eyewitness accounts I've read were spot on. Looks like load shift could be the culprit. Those poor guys had way too much time to realize what was about to happen to them. So sad. Edited April 30, 2013 by TacAirCoug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10percenttruth Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Damn, that's hard to watch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 made my stomach turn... to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacAirCoug Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share Posted April 30, 2013 Same feeling I had watching the video of the C-17 in Alaska. I didn't like that feeling either time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10percenttruth Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Same feeling I had watching the video of the C-17 in Alaska. I didn't like that feeling either time. That one with the cockpit audio still haunts me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreudianSlip Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Not in the game anymore myself but that it just haunting. Video here: http://jalopnik.com/deadly-afghan-plane-crash-caught-by-dash-cam-in-this-ho-485974117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 f*cking brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergman Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 That literally makes my stomach turn. Cold shivers. Damn. Dont' take it for granted fellas...this is a serious business. Keep your wits about you. Godspeed to the victims, families, and friends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeHavilland Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Sickening to watch. The flight deck crew had way too long to think about what was about to happen to them. Godspeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Looks like they fought it all of the way down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 yikes. Stay on your toes gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Very hard to watch. They definitely gave their all the whole way down. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherManC130 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 That makes me sick to my stomach. You could not pay me to listen to the CVR. Rest in Peace Fellas... WxMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Wow. :beer: :beer: :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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