Fuzz Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Responding by email to the Times, he used the expression "much ado about nothing." He said he put in a good word for the pilot, whose name has not been made public. Mattis noted that he had made his own "colossal mistakes" in earlier years. "Some young guys made a human error," he wrote, "and hopefully they'll recover and enjoy long and illustrious careers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Searched AF Times. Nothin. Sounds sketchy. Believe it. They actually got airborne, but not for long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI5xTmmPbsY Should serve as a lesson to other C-5 crews: never take off in a C-5...so much for that privileged use caveat... Edited February 4, 2013 by BQZip01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RASH Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 so much for that privileged use caveat... Nice, Zippy...go ahead and spread the "privileged use" re-creation around for more to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 It's just crazy that something like that could happen with an aircraft with not one, but two, Flight Engineers on board. Unfathomable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Nice, Zippy...go ahead and spread the "privileged use" re-creation around for more to see. Its factual with no analysis, legal....I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Its factual with no analysis, legal....I think. There's a no disclosure statement at 2:46. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Its factual with no analysis, legal....I think. There is analysis...it starts at 0:42. So, not legal. Edited February 5, 2013 by Butters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Nice, Zippy...go ahead and spread the "privileged use" re-creation around for more to see. It's on youtube. Posting a link to youtube doesn't spread it around more. It's not like I made a copy and showed my wife (like an unnamed aviator) Edited February 5, 2013 by BQZip01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABoom Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Not sure who put it on Youtube, but the For Official Use Only Statement at the end pretty much sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RASH Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 It's on youtube. Posting a link to youtube doesn't spread it around more. It's not like I made a copy and showed my wife (like an unnamed aviator) Because no one who used your link was opening it for the first time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABoom Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 "They don't like listening to enlisted guys so that's why they never spoke up." I was slightly offended, but I really couldn't disagree. This is why I love flying on the KC-135. Pretty tight crews, sts, and we work very well together. Officers and Enlisted are on the same page and if something needs to be said, we speak up without hesitation. I'm just glad no one died and that this turned into a great CRM lesson for all crew members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Not sure if Gen Mattis did anything for the crew behind the scenes... Rumor here at the Quagmire is that he went to bat for the crew in a BIG way... and hit a grand slam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prozac Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 .......if something needs to be said, we speak up without hesitation. Shut it boom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBock Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....we speak up without hesitation. Blah blah blah blah blah. Doesn't mean we're listening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Doesn't mean we're listening. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABoom Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 "Go Around" seems to work every time. Just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 "Go Around" seems to work every time. Just sayin I thought with the FAA's "sterile cockpit" rules, flight attendants weren't allowed in the cockpit during takeoff and landing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABoom Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seriously Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Because no one who used your link was opening it for the first time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 My airline used that Youtube video as a CRM case study example during a class last month. Complete with remarks from the civilians such as "I heard those pilots were asshole Colonels," "They don't get to fly much since they're C-5 guys," "They don't like listening to enlisted guys so that's why they never spoke up." I was slightly offended, but I really couldn't disagree. I don't know about these particular dudes, but not generally the case in the C-5 community. We fly a lot, and we always listen to a good engineer. Loads...meh. "Go Around" seems to work every time. Just sayin Wouldn't have worked in the C-5 crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABoom Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSky Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 C-17s at it again. https://kfor.com/news/local/stillwater-regional-airport-runway-damaged-due-to-unauthorized-military-aircraft-landing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) How does this happen - so many means to validate you’re at the correct airport and runway. But I guess they’ll have a juicy TMAAT/lesson learned story ready to go for their airline interviews! Edited December 22, 2022 by brabus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, LiquidSky said: C-17s at it again. https://kfor.com/news/local/stillwater-regional-airport-runway-damaged-due-to-unauthorized-military-aircraft-landing/ Crazy, media got it wrong I think. Read a correction somewhere and can't find it now. The type of gear setup on a C17 puts it well within the weight limits for the field apparently. Also, AF is claiming they DID have a PPR. Who knows. This is a towered field though and the aircraft landed during manned hours. Edited December 22, 2022 by uhhello 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 "They indicate not only was the aircraft within weight limits for triple-tandem landing gear, but that the flight was coordinated five days in advance. The airport reported taxiway damage to the unit and not runway damage. The image you have shown is a light off the edge of the runway to taxiway on Taxiway A. The 310k lbs listed is for dual-tandem landing gear and not the higher weight capable triple-tandem." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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