What's wrong with the Air Force?

[ClearedHot]

7 hours ago, nsplayr said:

This to me is why we still need pride month. The vocal dead-enders who are still virulently and actively anti-gay rights, let alone tolerant, accepting, etc.

I'll disagree with you here as a justification for these events. LGTBQ/Pride month will not change the heart of a biased person.  And, more often than not in the military it turns into a forced event that ends up with a negative connotation.  Perhaps I have scar tissue but reflecting back on 26 years of these types of forced events I can't think of a single one that made me walk away with an "ah ha" moment. 

7 hours ago, bfargin said:

Homos are 18Xs more likely to be pedos. The three predilections I lumped together, all deny reality and the design of humanity. To engage in any of that behavior is bad for the individual, the culture, and society as a whole. I know when it’s personal it’s more difficult to see the truth but that doesn’t change the facts.

18X...hardly, you are mixing and matching numerous studies and when you peel them back they are full of bias and flawed logic...It is a sad fact that the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual white men...many have kids of their own.   When you actually read these studies they provide no scientific evidence of anything you are claiming.  Most of them use opinion and conjecture, usually published on religious sites or religious advocacy group sites with a preface saving homosexuality is a deviant behavior.  As a Christian I am always shocked the religious groups which as a foundation teach love and tolerance are so concerned and butthurt about what other people do in the privacy of their own home. 

7 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Anyways, I digress…it sounds like you’ve never had a gay best friend or a gay kid. I have both.

Too bad, the experience might change your hard heart to one able to understand that homosexuality has always been a part of the human condition and it’s not gonna go away if you hate it extra loudly. You’re just going to hurt people who deserve to be loved and accepted just the same as you or me.

This right here. 

Flashing back to high school there was a guy that was obviously gay but the environment of the period I grew up in was far less accepting than today.  Looking back on it now he was extremely bitter and no one really wanted to hang out with him, not because we knew he was gay but because he was always so angry.  I was in AP English and was placed in a small group of four students with him to work several projects.  In that small group he let his guard down and was a completely different person.  By that time (10th grade), he had read and re-read all the classics, with ease he could pull the threads of those books to the ancient philosophers and the bible.  He had an incredible mind, truly the guy was brilliant but he hid it under this facade of anger that must have been his defense mechanism.  I didn't interact with him much after that class, we rode the same bus and on several occasions I tried to be social and say hello but he was back in his shell and mostly ignored me.  At my 20 year reunion I learned he committed suicide (RIP Gary), and I couldn't help but think how difficult high school was for him and just how cruel other kids can be.

As a heterosexual I am attracted to women, I can't comprehend being attracted to another man...but that doesn't make homosexuality wrong.  I have worked and flown with numerous gay people...guess what...so have ALL you...and they were all most likely great Americans serving their country.  Over the course of my career I also saw four egregious cases of pedophilia...and ALL were straight white men who were chasing young girls...one of them his own daughter. 

Like the forced celebration events, nothing we say here is going to change Bfargin's heart...so be it, we are free country and you are entitled to your opinion, but all that hate is going to eat you up and life is way to short to hate someone else just because of who they love.

 

[bfargin]

I’ll take the hit on being harsh (even mean at times) against the cause. At the risk of being too defensive, i really don’t hate the individuals, I hate the movement and the championing of destructive behavior. And contrary to some observations i have personally seen close lifelong friends hurt by it, which makes it hurt even more.

As for research (back when i did some - 20 plus years ago) it was social science so psychology and sociology. So yeah self reporting, survey type with tons of variance that can’t be fully explained or dismissed easily. But even anthropology and medical research shows that sexual activity outside of monogamous heterosexual relationships have negative implications for those who engage. 
 

i stand by my observation that 30 plus years of championing abnormal sexual activity has had seriously negative consequences psychologically for our society.

[Mark1]

1 hour ago, bfargin said:

I’ll take the hit on being harsh (even mean at times) against the cause. At the risk of being too defensive, i really don’t hate the individuals, I hate the movement and the championing of destructive behavior. And contrary to some observations i have personally seen close lifelong friends hurt by it, which makes it hurt even more.

As for research (back when i did some - 20 plus years ago) it was social science so psychology and sociology. So yeah self reporting, survey type with tons of variance that can’t be fully explained or dismissed easily. But even anthropology and medical research shows that sexual activity outside of monogamous heterosexual relationships have negative implications for those who engage. 
 

i stand by my observation that 30 plus years of championing abnormal sexual activity has had seriously negative consequences psychologically for our society.

If you're going to own it, just own it.  We all know the basis of your opinion and it's nothing to do with rigorous scientific inquiry.  You're so proud to be the stalwart holding the line against perversion, but you're ashamed to admit it comes from your religious indoc?  Doesn't square.

A cursory look at evolutionary biology makes it impossible to deny that minority homosexuality is as normal as it gets, with good reason, but you probably don't dip into the evolutionary sciences much.

I don't want anybody's sexuality thrown in my face unsolicited, straight or otherwise.  The militant (vocal minority) members of the 'movement' have gone crazy with it after tasting some success and that needs to be reigned in, but let's not pretend that going back to assuming George Michael was crushing pussy is the answer.

[Weapons Away]

23 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:

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[Boomer6]

What about ppl that de-transition? Were they confused, unbalanced, or what?

[brabus]

They were manipulated, simple as that. 

[Duck]

I highly recommend “What is a Woman?” which can be found on Twitter searching for The Daily Wire. Pretty scary stuff and even scarier that the children are being indoctrinated with this stuff.


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[HeloDude]

The leftist on this site can’t (won’t) even explain what a woman is.

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, Boomer6 said:

What about ppl that de-transition? Were they confused, unbalanced, or what?

As you know there is a HUGE difference between acceptance/equal treatment of LGTBQ and the progressive movement that is being forced down our throats, I would hope @nsplayr would agree. 

Compare and contrast how the issue is being handled by the progressive media in Florida and California.  Last year Florida passed a law that the progressive movement absolutely hated because it thwarts their agenda...they hate it so much they changed the name and have repeatedly called it the "don't say gay law" even the the word "gay" is no where in the verbiage.  That law simply states schools will not have “instruction” or “discussion” of sexual orientation and gender identity from kindergarten through third grade.  If you see something wrong with that...god help you.  The progressives are of course upset and screen it impacts their free speech as if their right to proselytize gender change to kids 5-8 years old is more important than parental rights.  

In California schools have allowed institutions like Planned Parenthood and organizations that promote gender change to promote this ideology without the knowledge or permission of parents.  In these sessions they tell 5-8 year olds they can get puberty blockers without their parents finding out.  Truly sick humans.  I supposed these same groups would enable a six year old who wants to be a pirate and schedule his eye removal and peg leg surgery.  This ideology is celebrated in California schools and parents who push back find themselves under surveillance by the FBI as possible domestic terrorists.  It is very interesting that over 80% of kids who seek gender conversion end up changing their mind...80%.

I will support your right to be what you want and love who you want all day, but stop promoting this to pre-adolencents and stop cutting parents out of the process. 

[Standby]

1 hour ago, Boomer6 said:

What about ppl that de-transition? Were they confused, unbalanced, or what?

They were basket cases before, and will be basket cases after. 

[Sim]

 

[Biff_T]

3 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

What about ppl that de-transition? Were they confused, unbalanced, or what?

My best friend became a trans.   I grew up with him. We surfed together, served together, I was a groomsman (his brother was the best man) at his wedding.  I was there when he met the mother of his children.   He got out of the military well before hitting 20 years and was a very successful investor.   Over a decade ago, he got addicted to speed.   He has since left his family, he hasn’t see his children since July of last year.   He’s been battling this crippling addiction for a while.   His latest adventure (which I’ve mentioned here before) is becoming a woman.  He has lost his fucking mind.  The trans movement has made it harder to get him help.   As I’m a bad person for suggesting maybe it’s the drugs making him this way.   I called his mom on Mother’s Day for him.  She’s devastated, along with his dad, ex wife and children.   I check up on him weekly.    My guess is my friend will detransition when he’s finished being a selfish asshole, addicted to drugs.  He’s still my brother, it’s just really hard watching someone do this to himself.  

[Biff_T]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

I will support your right to be what you want and love who you want all day, but stop promoting this to pre-adolencents and stop cutting parents out of the process. 

This. 

[Day Man]

20 hours ago, bfargin said:

i stand by my observation that 30 plus years of championing abnormal sexual activity has had seriously negative consequences psychologically for our society.

concur.

[HeloDude]

12 minutes ago, Day Man said:

concur.

What leftists fail to realize is that two things can be true at the same time—messing up kids’ lives is bad regardless of who is doing it.  When Bill Maher is saying it, you know it’s pretty bad.

[DosXX]

On 6/3/2023 at 12:54 PM, bfargin said:

Sure a lot of people smoking each others poles throwing out “faggot” at me like it’s an insult. I thought you were telling me it’s normal and good. So am i supposed to be insulted or proud to be labeled a bone smuggler. Make up your mind

You should be proud brother it’s not an insult, totally normal hiding terabytes of gay porn on your computer while going out of your way to hurl bullshit against gay people online.

I’ll double it and throw 200 down

[TreeA10]

Children aren't allowed to drive until 14, get a driver's license at 16, vote or buy a gun until 18, and drink until they are 21 years old.  Why? Because society does not believe that children have the mental capacity to make correct choices regarding those subjects.  But somehow, when it comes to permanent devastating life altering surgical or hormonal choices, children including pre-teens are deemed by the left to be more than competent to make those decisions. The leftist fascination with co-opting children is downright evil.

Whatever another adult wants to do to float their boat is fine by me just don't ask me to to play along with any sort of delusion or celebrate whatever choice that adult may make but leave children alone.

Edited June 4 by TreeA10

[Standby]

3 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

Children aren't allowed to drive until 14, get a driver's license at 16, vote or buy a gun until 18, and drink until they are 21 years old.  Why? Because society does not believe that children have the mental capacity to make correct choices regarding those subjects. 

Let us not forget that you can also enlist and die (assuming you were to complete basic and whatever MOS/AFSC training was required in time) at the age of 17…

Old enough to chop your fucking dick off and die for your country, but not old enough to bum a cigarette (or fag depending on your culture).

[FourFans]

For those who've read their Robert Heinlein, I can thoroughly envision a near future where the veterans in society have to save it from itself.

[brabus]

6 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

children including pre-teens

To clarify, that includes as young as 5. Apparently 5 yr olds are mature enough to decide hormone altering drugs are OK to take without their parents knowing…because teacher knows better and said you should…yeah, nothing totally fucked up here going on. 

[McJay Pilot]

26 minutes ago, FourFans said:

For those who've read their Robert Heinlein, I can thoroughly envision a near future where the veterans in society have to save it from itself.

I encourage as many people as I can to READ Starship Troopers. The universal reaction is usually “holy shit”.

[Bigred]

12 hours ago, Standby said:

Let us not forget that you can also enlist and die (assuming you were to complete basic and whatever MOS/AFSC training was required in time) at the age of 17…

 

You can only join at 17 if your parents approve and sign paperwork. 

[Biff_T]

13 hours ago, brabus said:

To clarify, that includes as young as 5. Apparently 5 yr olds are mature enough to decide hormone altering drugs are OK to take without their parents knowing…because teacher knows better and said you should…yeah, nothing totally fucked up here going on. 

If you’re mature enough to pour yourself a bowl of Golden Grahams, then you’re more than capable of making life altering choices.  Come on man.  

[tac airlifter]

13 hours ago, McJay Pilot said:

I encourage as many people as I can to READ Starship Troopers. The universal reaction is usually “holy shit”.

Citizenship for service. Absolutely great fucking idea.  The USA is founded on the best ideas and socio-political philosophies humans produced, but the crippling flaw is free citizenship.  A selfish spoiled trust fund baby, a criminal on welfare, and a wounded vet who works full time all have equal voice in selecting future leaders & laws of our land.  Not optimal.

On 6/4/2023 at 11:43 AM, Biff_T said:

My best friend became a trans.   I grew up with him. We surfed together, served together, I was a groomsman (his brother was the best man) at his wedding.  I was there when he met the mother of his children.   He got out of the military well before hitting 20 years and was a very successful investor.   Over a decade ago, he got addicted to speed.   He has since left his family, he hasn’t see his children since July of last year.   He’s been battling this crippling addiction for a while.   His latest adventure (which I’ve mentioned here before) is becoming a woman.  He has lost his fucking mind.  The trans movement has made it harder to get him help.   As I’m a bad person for suggesting maybe it’s the drugs making him this way.   I called his mom on Mother’s Day for him.  She’s devastated, along with his dad, ex wife and children.   I check up on him weekly.    My guess is my friend will detransition when he’s finished being a selfish asshole, addicted to drugs.  He’s still my brother, it’s just really hard watching someone do this to himself.  

you sound like a white supremacist transphobe.  Take 4 COVID shots and one online queer-theory class before signing up for monthly BLM donations to absolve yourself of sin.

[nsplayr]

15 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Citizenship for service. Absolutely great fucking idea.  The USA is founded on the best ideas and socio-political philosophies humans produced, but the crippling flaw is free citizenship.  A selfish spoiled trust fund baby, a criminal on welfare, and a wounded vet who works full time all have equal voice in selecting future leaders & laws of our land.  Not optimal.

1000% disagree. Having obtainable naturalization and birthright citizenship is a huge leg up for the US and always has been. Furthermore, the cultural norm that an “American” isn’t a race or a people that one either has or doesn’t but rather a set of ideals and something you can choose is at the foundation of our enduring strength.

I would actually support universal national service for all young people that conferred benefits like college or job training money & opportunities.

But a just-naturalized Bulgarian-American or a second-generation, US-born Colombian-American is just as much a citizen as you or I, and I sincerely believe that is a feature that makes the US superior to other countries.

You can move to China and speak Chinese and live there for 50 years but you’ll never “be Chinese” and that’s simply not the case here.

Edited June 5 by nsplayr