brabus Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I concur with Pawnman and Hugo regarding legalities. But morally/ethically I think this leadership is being just as shitty as everyone above them still trying to shove a bullshit vax down people’s throats. Let it go and stop trying to force something useless (and harmful to some in the short term, unknown long term) on people who don’t want it. There is nothing logical about continuing down this road, especially at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, brabus said: I concur with Pawnman and Hugo regarding legalities. But morally/ethically I think this leadership is being just as shitty as everyone above them still trying to shove a bullshit vax down people’s throats. Let it go and stop trying to force something useless (and harmful to some in the short term, unknown long term) on people who don’t want it. There is nothing logical about continuing down this road, especially at this point. We still have a DoD mandate. This isn't the first dumb thing, and won't be the last dumb thing, commanders are charged with getting done. The ire here is directed at the wrong people. If you really think we shouldn't have a covid vaccine mandate, direct that at your elected officials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: Just curious where that chart came from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, uhhello said: Just curious where that chart came from it's absolute BS (which you know and why you asked the question)...the caption doesn't even match the 'description' on the chart 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Stiglitz Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, uhhello said: Just curious where that chart came from The numbers are from where they claim to be from, but it accidentally ignores the denominators (rates). https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-vaccines/fact-check-graph-showing-englands-covid-19-death-statistics-misrepresents-impact-of-vaccines-idUSL1N2Z10I3 It’s like saying F-16 pilots are worse at flying than RQ-4 pilots because the Viper has had more Class As. Lazy, but hey I guess whatever info validates your preconceived notions is good data. It’s all besides the point though; no need to turn this into the world’s trillionth vaccine efficacy pissing match. I think the point is if the author titled his article “AF Leadership is Just as Shitty as Everyone Above Them,” then it’d have a little more merit than the whole “sinister plot exposed!” angle. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Yeah no sinister plot when billions of dollars are at play. Big pharma and cdc acting as angels nothing to see here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Also the vax was PROMISED to prevent “severe illness or death” which clearly is false. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Just now, BashiChuni said: Yeah no sinister plot when billions of dollars are at play. Big pharma and cdc acting as angels nothing to see here! So do your part and argue in good faith with valid statistics. It's pretty simple. You lose any and all credibility (and become who you're trying to fight) by not doing due diligence in what you're sharing. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 And you lose all credibility standing behind any vax mandate a vax that clearly at best doesn’t do what it’s advertised to do and at worst is having tragic consequences for thousands of people 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, BashiChuni said: If the data is true, I don’t find the graphic surprising. It makes sense, to me, that the most vulnerable individuals would do everything possible to mitigate their risk of death. The unfortunate reality is that the vaccines are marginally effective and the chance of infection remains high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: And you lose all credibility standing behind any vax mandate a vax that clearly at best doesn’t do what it’s advertised to do and at worst is having tragic consequences for thousands of people You're a clown. I haven't said anything on the mandate. I for sure haven't spread "fake news" on it. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Stiglitz Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: Also the vax was PROMISED to prevent “severe illness or death” which clearly is false. Yeah. Welp. And I was promised condoms prevent pregnancy. BRB, gotta change another diaper. Edited October 8, 2022 by Hugo Stiglitz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 3 hours ago, uhhello said: You're a clown. I haven't said anything on the mandate. I for sure haven't spread "fake news" on it. nice attack. put the beer down and keep it civil. i was speaking generally. no fake news about what i wrote. people are dying in significant numbers who are vaxed/boosted. and that destroys the entire argument for mandatory vaxes and ridiculous rules which wrecked hundreds of thousands of lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said: Yeah. Welp. And I was promised condoms prevent pregnancy. BRB, gotta change another diaper. can't just laugh that off. that promise was the basis for vax discrimination which ruined hundreds of thousands of lives. and still is! there need to be consequences. i'm glad you can be so nonchalant. if you got medically fucked up by taking a mandatory vax and consequently told you'd never fly again in the AF and never hold a class I physical I think your thought process would be radically different. i'm happy it didn't happen to you. Edited October 8, 2022 by BashiChuni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said: Yeah. Welp. And I was promised condoms prevent pregnancy. BRB, gotta change another diaper. I would trust wearing a condom to prevent getting someone pregnant just a little more than I would trust that the covid vaccine would keep me from getting covid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer6 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 The apologists did not disappoint. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCO Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Boomer6 said: The apologists did not disappoint. Neither did the vax haters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo Issues New mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group. Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks. As such, the State Surgeon General recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Those with preexisting cardiac conditions, such as myocarditis and pericarditis, should take particular caution when making this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer6 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, MCO said: Neither did the vax haters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, BashiChuni said: if you got medically ed up by taking a mandatory vax and consequently told you'd never fly again in the AF and never hold a class I physical I think your thought process would be radically different. People I know got medically "fcked up" with ptsd from doing mandatory deployments and having friends eat it from flying into the ground. Those people have lost their ability to get a FAA physical as well (AF lets some people fly with PTSD, FAA requires an expensive waiver that is mostly disapproved). We all made sacrifices in the military. I agree that the Covid vaccine is bullshit. I also realize the military makes us all do things that could potentially harm us or others (sometimes against our faith or morals). That's part of the fun. Edited October 8, 2022 by Biff_T Ingles es muy duro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, ClearedHot said: State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo Issues New mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group. Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks. As such, the State Surgeon General recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Those with preexisting cardiac conditions, such as myocarditis and pericarditis, should take particular caution when making this decision. 84% increase! for a virus that is statistically irrelevant for that age group. vax mandates should be dropped immediately. It’s all about $$$$$$ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 12 hours ago, BashiChuni said: nice attack. put the beer down and keep it civil. i was speaking generally. Here's an attack, if you wish to interpret it as such. 90% of your posts make you sound like a moron or a Karen. You are a detriment to any cause you support, which annoys me because I agree with most of your underlying points. But you're the shittiest spokesperson imaginable. It's to the point I wouldn't be half surprised if you were actually Donald Trump's secret baseops account. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeA10 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 I think as we get further from this COVID thing and politics take a backseat, the numbers related to injury from the vaccine will not be something the pharma folks will want to talk about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Biff_T said: I agree that the Covid vaccine is bullshit. I also realize the military makes us all do things that could potentially harm us or others (sometimes against our faith or morals). That's part of the fun. In theory, when the military makes people do things that could potentially cause them harm, there is some larger goal (supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and all that good stuff). Have yet to see what the larger goal was with the Covid vax for the military. Sure hasn't seemed to do anything for military readiness. On the other hand, sure has been a good method of clearing all the non-believers out of the force. Maybe the Covid vax was nothing more than some loyalty test all along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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