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On 12/3/2020 at 2:36 PM, OptFire said:

I was unfortunately just told by my squadron that my packet won't be sent to AFRC boards for the time being because my PCSM is too low for the abysmal selection rates. I still have my job offer so I'm not totally defeated, but feeling really bummed out right now. I'm guessing I should retake the AFOQT/TBAS since I have one more attempt on each. Is it even possible to take these tests right now? 

The whole person concept still applies but it pays to have a high PCSM score. 

That sounds pretty wild and unfortunate. It might help the bros on here to share the PCSM score range that kicked it back to better gouge their chances. Study up, re-hack, retake and crush it! Good luck! 

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On 12/3/2020 at 3:36 PM, OptFire said:

I was unfortunately just told by my squadron that my packet won't be sent to AFRC boards for the time being because my PCSM is too low for the abysmal selection rates. I still have my job offer so I'm not totally defeated, but feeling really bummed out right now. I'm guessing I should retake the AFOQT/TBAS since I have one more attempt on each. Is it even possible to take these tests right now?

The whole person concept still applies but it pays to have a high PCSM score. 

That's a bum deal man I'm sorry to hear this. Last I heard AFRC is requiring a 70 PCSM score minimum for the boards. Definitely work with your unit and see what score you have to bump up to. I would retake the TBAS over the AFOQT (less risk for the reward). Let us know your AFOQT Pilot/PCSM/flight hours to see which component it's worth retaking.

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33 minutes ago, SubsidedRhyme11 said:

Last I heard AFRC is requiring a 70 PCSM score minimum for the boards.

The problem is that folks that are below 80 PCSMs are competing against hired folks with higher PCSMs for fewer and fewer available AFRC UPT slots.

Sewing circle says AFRC is allotted (numbers likely not 100% accurate) ~60 slots for FY21 UPT with 100+ people hired by Reserves units waiting to go. Since “they” feel PCSM is one of the better predictors of UPT success, they’re likely picking people with higher PCSM scores in their boards than lower to ensure the slots aren’t “wasted” on someone they think has a higher chance of washing out. 

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13 hours ago, SubsidedRhyme11 said:

That's a bum deal man I'm sorry to hear this. Last I heard AFRC is requiring a 70 PCSM score minimum for the boards. Definitely work with your unit and see what score you have to bump up to. I would retake the TBAS over the AFOQT (less risk for the reward). Let us know your AFOQT Pilot/PCSM/flight hours to see which component it's worth retaking.

No worries, I’ve had to push for this job the whole way so I expect to keep doing that until I earn my wings. 

I have an 83 Pilot AFOQT Score, PCSM is 74 with 140 flight hours. I can only raise it 4 more points for about $9000 in rentals xD. My PCSM was 35 before updating my flight log. I’ll definitely be retaking the TBAS first.

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14 hours ago, OptFire said:

No worries, I’ve had to push for this job the whole way so I expect to keep doing that until I earn my wings. 

I have an 83 Pilot AFOQT Score, PCSM is 74 with 140 flight hours. I can only raise it 4 more points for about $9000 in rentals xD. My PCSM was 35 before updating my flight log. I’ll definitely be retaking the TBAS first.

Ahh I gotcha! Best of luck going forward. Just some food for thought: I have an 82 Pilot AFOQT score and my 100+ hour bracket for PCSM is a 90. Most definitely retake that TBAS and study your ass off. Good luck man! 

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Hi all-

Long time lurker but got picked up off the street at a ANG fighter unit a few months ago and was curious to see if anyone is in the same situation I'm in- my contacts are just slightly out of FC1 limits (-3.25 both eyes) so it looks like I'll have to get LASIK/PRK. I'm working with my unit's flight doc regarding timeline of surgery + going to MEPS and Wright Pat. Anyone had a similar timeline or experience of getting hired at a unit and then needing eye surgery? Trying to work the 6 month wait time prior to FC1 in since it's projected that I wouldn't even head to OTS until sometime 12-14 months down the road. Thanks!

 

AFOQT/TBAS: June 2020

Board: Fall 2020

Hired:   Fall 2020 

MEPS: Scheduled Jan 2021

Enlistment: ??? 

FC1: ???

FC1 Stamped Approved: ???

OTS: ??? 

UPT: ???

FTU: ???

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On 12/3/2020 at 12:36 PM, OptFire said:

I was unfortunately just told by my squadron that my packet won't be sent to AFRC boards for the time being because my PCSM is too low for the abysmal selection rates. I still have my job offer so I'm not totally defeated, but feeling really bummed out right now. I'm guessing I should retake the AFOQT/TBAS since I have one more attempt on each. Is it even possible to take these tests right now? 

The whole person concept still applies but it pays to have a high PCSM score. 

Why aren't they sending your packet in? I'm pretty sure the minimum PCSM to board is a 70. Not only that, but I heard that they are getting 96 AFRC slots for this year. I would try to put in for the board and make AFRC tell you no.

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On 12/20/2020 at 6:53 PM, buscruncher22 said:

Hi all-

Long time lurker but got picked up off the street at a ANG fighter unit a few months ago and was curious to see if anyone is in the same situation I'm in- my contacts are just slightly out of FC1 limits (-3.25 both eyes) so it looks like I'll have to get LASIK/PRK. I'm working with my unit's flight doc regarding timeline of surgery + going to MEPS and Wright Pat. Anyone had a similar timeline or experience of getting hired at a unit and then needing eye surgery? Trying to work the 6 month wait time prior to FC1 in since it's projected that I wouldn't even head to OTS until sometime 12-14 months down the road. Thanks!

 

Not sure how it works when you already were picked up but I had PRK a long time ago and can't emphasize enough just finding a good doctor, sticking with the eye drop regimen religiously.  If you're hired do you have to go to a USAF physician to get it done or is it still on your dime to find a surgeon yourself?  

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2 hours ago, tarheelaviator said:

Not sure how it works when you already were picked up but I had PRK a long time ago and can't emphasize enough just finding a good doctor, sticking with the eye drop regimen religiously.  If you're hired do you have to go to a USAF physician to get it done or is it still on your dime to find a surgeon yourself?  

Not sure- I'd assume it's still on my own dime until I'm able to swear in.. which from my understanding is somewhere between MEPS and FC1 or directly after FC1 assuming the NGB approves the paperwork. At this point I'm just stoked to have a slot, but it seems like it'll be a while before OTS and that's without the added time of the PRK wait times.

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On 12/23/2020 at 10:45 AM, cowdog said:

Why aren't they sending your packet in? I'm pretty sure the minimum PCSM to board is a 70. Not only that, but I heard that they are getting 96 AFRC slots for this year. I would try to put in for the board and make AFRC tell you no.

Where did you get this info from regarding the 96 AFRC slots?

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On 12/20/2020 at 6:53 PM, buscruncher22 said:

Hi all-

Long time lurker but got picked up off the street at a ANG fighter unit a few months ago and was curious to see if anyone is in the same situation I'm in- my contacts are just slightly out of FC1 limits (-3.25 both eyes) so it looks like I'll have to get LASIK/PRK. I'm working with my unit's flight doc regarding timeline of surgery + going to MEPS and Wright Pat. Anyone had a similar timeline or experience of getting hired at a unit and then needing eye surgery? Trying to work the 6 month wait time prior to FC1 in since it's projected that I wouldn't even head to OTS until sometime 12-14 months down the road. Thanks!

 

AFOQT/TBAS: June 2020

Board: Fall 2020

Hired:   Fall 2020 

MEPS: Scheduled Jan 2021

Enlistment: ??? 

FC1: ???

FC1 Stamped Approved: ???

OTS: ??? 

UPT: ???

FTU: ???

Unless your eyes get worse, you more than likely will meet the standard of -3.00 if you are wearing -3.25 contacts.  It has to do with the way the measurement is made (using drops to relax the focusing muscles and stopping when you can read 20/20 not when the letters are perfect, i.e. 20/15 or 20/10).  Obviously PRK or LASIK is an option if you want to avoid all chances of busting, but you'd probably be OK as is.

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3 hours ago, JabroniWizard said:

Just a friendly reminder to anyone who hasn’t gone to MEPS yet, DO NOT (and I can’t emphasize this enough) DISCLOSE ANYTHING. They will try and pressure you with some honesty and integrity bs but don’t buy it. It is there job to disqualify, NOT qualify.


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I think you need to clarify ANYTHING. I’m all for not shooting yourself in the foot, but I had a good friend of mine who took this advice a little to literally and didn’t disclose a couple sports surgeries he probably could have simply gotten a waiver for and the docs found the scars on the body examination and he got DQ’d and barred from service. 

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I think you need to clarify ANYTHING. I’m all for not shooting yourself in the foot, but I had a good friend of mine who took this advice a little to literally and didn’t disclose a couple sports surgeries he probably could have simply gotten a waiver for and the docs found the scars on the body examination and he got DQ’d and barred from service. 


Good point. That sucks for your friend. Scars are gonna be an obvious sign of surgery and easy for the docs to see, his recruiter failed him on that one if he told him not to disclose that.

I should clarify that you shouldn’t disclose anything that you don’t need to disclose. For example: If you had hemorrhoids years ago but they’re gone, don’t disclose. Stuff that isn’t relevant anymore but you feel the need to disclose for the sake of “honesty” is not worth your career. The docs and nurses there are not your friends, and they have control over the decision of letting you in. So don’t give them any reason not too.
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7 hours ago, JabroniWizard said:

Just a friendly reminder to anyone who hasn’t gone to MEPS yet, DO NOT (and I can’t emphasize this enough) DISCLOSE ANYTHING. They will try and pressure you with some honesty and integrity bs but don’t buy it. It is there job to disqualify, NOT qualify.


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This x100.  I disclosed something years ago that almost grenaded my chances.  Don't be stupid and lie about something they'll find (see surgery scar example above) but don't disclose anything that doesn't need to be said.  I eventually got a waiver that shouldn't have even been necessary but it costed me years of lost time (no joke).  

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Hey everyone,

Guard non-prior here, just got done with FC1 without needing any waivers, so starting the AETC/NGB process:

 

Guard/ISR - Non-Prior

Hired: February 2020

MEPS/Enlistment: August 2020

FC1: January 2021

Package sent to NGB: ???

OTS: ???

UPT: ???

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Hey everyone,
Guard non-prior here, just got done with FC1 without needing any waivers, so starting the AETC/NGB process:
 

Guard/ISR - Non-Prior

Hired: February 2020

MEPS/Enlistment: August 2020

FC1: January 2021

Package sent to NGB: ???

OTS: ???

UPT: ???



How was the FC1 process like during COVID?
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13 hours ago, sideworth said:

Hey everyone,

Guard non-prior here, just got done with FC1 without needing any waivers, so starting the AETC/NGB process:

 

Guard/ISR - Non-Prior

Hired: February 2020

MEPS/Enlistment: August 2020

FC1: January 2021

Package sent to NGB: ???

OTS: ???

UPT: ???

Make sure all your forms for the officer selection package are up to date, and filled out correctly. Make you recruiter double check them. And make sure you transcripts are addressed to your recruiter and not yourself. 

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2 minutes ago, JabroniWizard said:

 


How was the FC1 process like during COVID?

 

I went through in September, it wasn't too bad. Less technicians on site, so they couldn't do as many people at once on certain tests. Like for EKGs, they had one lady there doing them. Seemed fairly normal otherwise aside from having to wear masks everywhere. Critically inefficient. 

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I went through in September, it wasn't too bad. Less technicians on site, so they couldn't do as many people at once on certain tests. Like for EKGs, they had one lady there doing them. Seemed fairly normal otherwise aside from having to wear masks everywhere. Critically inefficient. 


Right on. I bet it was a bit better than MEPS though I’m sure lol
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4 hours ago, JabroniWizard said:

 


How was the FC1 process like during COVID?

 

It was relatively straightforward. Like the other person said above, it was probably more limited in terms of people on site compared to a normal time. My group only had like 9 people in it. There was some pre-arrival COVID paperwork that you had to abide to, but in terms of the rest of processing I would say it's very similar to a normal FC1. If you had COVID at some point they do some more extensive testing on you, including:

  • 2 hours of breathing into a machine to determine lung function/capacity
  • Echocardiogram, again takes about 2hrs
  • Wear a Holter Monitor for 24hrs, basically a portable EKG
  • Wear a portable pulse reader and walk around to get more readings

No one in my group had prior tested positive but this is what I heard from previous people who'd gone through after having it.

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1 hour ago, JabroniWizard said:

 


Right on. I bet it was a bit better than MEPS though I’m sure lol

 

Yeah, way better than MEPS. Everyone at Wright Patt is there to help you succeed, not fail like at MEPS. Just be curteous and you'll receive the same back. 

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On 12/3/2020 at 3:36 PM, OptFire said:

I was unfortunately just told by my squadron that my packet won't be sent to AFRC boards for the time being because my PCSM is too low for the abysmal selection rates. I still have my job offer so I'm not totally defeated, but feeling really bummed out right now. I'm guessing I should retake the AFOQT/TBAS since I have one more attempt on each. Is it even possible to take these tests right now? 

The whole person concept still applies but it pays to have a high PCSM score. 

Turns out none of that mattered, I was selected by AFRC to go to UPT from this month's board. Go figure! I was told extra slots opened up from what they originally predicted. 

Timeline

Hired: Oct 2019

MEPS: January 2020

FC1: June 2020

AFRC Board: Jan 2021

OTS/UPT: Maybe Jan 2022? 

 

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