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7 minutes ago, Waingro said:

It's real. Congrats Phats, this is, and forever will be your legacy. Assuming your leadership is pushing this on you Phats, you had options, all of them better than this. A squadron full of guys with no callsigns would be better than this Sesame Street spectacle of a naming you propose. The Warhawks deserve better. 

I have my doubts this is coming from anyone above him. Phats is the worst commander I've seen, and he lost that squadron a long, long time ago. Not to mention his hand in the slam piece that was the Air Force Times article targeting the previous OG/CC. He needed to be fired years ago.

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In a gesture of goodwill, Southwest named a row of seats after her.

Been doing this long enough now to see the slide from something I dreamed of doing all my life to something that is absolutely unbearable at times.  Dad flew for 28 years before me and both of my gran

No dog in the fight.  But the 480FS Wikipedia page has an awesome “Woke era to present write up.” never seen that before must be a new AF Historian.

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Unbelievable. I don’t know Phats, but if this is solely his plan, then it needs to be crushed by Smirk and/or Fuge. If it’s their idea, then they have sold their souls and are no longer the men I knew. But, that’s very hard to believe...sounds like it’s fairly plausible this is SQ/CC level dumbassery. I hope that’s true, and he’s shortly about to get his dicked kicked in by his bosses. 

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It's not long before you'll no longer be able to critique someone in a debrief. 

A buddy of mine taught an early indoc class recently - At the end he asked if there were any questions on the content. No one spoke so he said, "Silence is consent" and excused the class. Three of the flight students reported his comment which has been used throughout my entire career. 

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There is no world in which fighter pilot callsigns will be run by the EO office. It's hilarious that this dumbass of a squadron commander thinks that would ever be a thing that anyone would agree to.  I would 110% prefer to not have an official callsign than to do this dickdance and I know every single other pilot in the entire CAF feels the exact same way. 

The predictable result of this is that squadrons are just going to have secret roll calls and namings off base with no bobs invited. Those will be twice as rowdy and irresponsible as if they just let us have our fun in the bar.

If I was the mayor during this train wreck I would, in order:

-resign

-cancel all future rolls calls and namings

-tell everyone in the squadron to stop wearing their callsign name tags

-and then I'd coordinate on the bro level to throw the biggest effing offensive secret naming rager of all time.

 

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7 hours ago, Anon696969 said:

It's real. It is the latest in an absolute disaster of leadership. The dude in charge is so terrified of being fired things like this happen. Not a singular event, just the latest and most public thus far...

As most know it started years ago and is only going to getting worse...(see thread about USAFA safe spaces).

My old squadron had to remove a ton of heritage stuff going back to combat ops in Vietnam. 

I remember my Wing/CC interview with Gen Rand...he was pulling his hair out after a naming ceremony at the IFF Sq at Randolph...I can only imagine how bad it is now.

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1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

As most know it started years ago and is only going to getting worse...(see thread about USAFA safe spaces).

My old squadron had to remove a ton of heritage stuff going back to combat ops in Vietnam. 

I remember my Wing/CC interview with Gen Rand...he was pulling his hair out after a naming ceremony at the IFF Sq at Randolph...I can only imagine how bad it is now.

That pisses me off more than anything because you know gen rand was around back in the heyday when you could get away with anything.  But now that he's old and the one who has to provide top cover he's not into it anymore. 

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8 hours ago, brabus said:

No way, has to be trolling. The wing and OG were solid fighter pilots/leaders as SQ/CCs at least...if this is true, they have lost their minds and the respect of any fighter pilot who has worked with/for them (except for those who decided to castrate themselves with the blue koolaid snips of course).

You haven't figured out that good dude ≠ good leader?

 

The system is designed to select for exactly this type of action. Every single step of the process. 

 

There's only one option: quit. Your country doesn't need you right now. And when it does, these careerist clowns will be the first to go.

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4 hours ago, Pooter said:

There is no world in which fighter pilot callsigns will be run by the EO office. It's hilarious that this dumbass of a squadron commander thinks that would ever be a thing that anyone would agree to.  I would 110% prefer to not have an official callsign than to do this dickdance and I know every single other pilot in the entire CAF feels the exact same way. 

The predictable result of this is that squadrons are just going to have secret roll calls and namings off base with no bobs invited. Those will be twice as rowdy and irresponsible as if they just let us have our fun in the bar.

If I was the mayor during this train wreck I would, in order:

-resign

-cancel all future rolls calls and namings

-tell everyone in the squadron to stop wearing their callsign name tags

-and then I'd coordinate on the bro level to throw the biggest effing offensive secret naming rager of all time.

 

Also strip that dude of his call sign...everyone forever more refer to him as rank and last name, even when talking about him in a conversation. His call sign should cease to exist and never be spoken by another individual again. He doesn’t deserve it. 

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57 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

You haven't figured out that good dude ≠ good leader?

 

The system is designed to select for exactly this type of action. Every single step of the process. 

 

There's only one option: quit. Your country doesn't need you right now. And when it does, these careerist clowns will be the first to go.

Oh I’ve seen plenty of that. But these two individuals are hard to believe, even in today’s AF. Regardless, sounds like this is most likely a sq/cc thing; my hope is the OG sits him down and tells him to rethink his dumbassery. 

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15 minutes ago, brabus said:

Also strip that dude of his call sign...everyone forever more refer to him as rank and last name, even when talking about him in a conversation. His call sign should cease to exist and never be spoken by another individual again. He doesn’t deserve it. 

Agreed. The craziest part to me is that PC guidance from above isn't new and it certainly isn't a difficult thing to work around. You just have to think creatively, and be straightforward with your squadron. "I'll have your back if you have mine" kind of thing. 
 

Hell, you can still have names that are acronyms for offensive things and then just create a PC cover story for them. This shouldn't be hard. 

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3 hours ago, Pooter said:

Hell, you can still have names that are acronyms for offensive things and then just create a PC cover story for them. This shouldn't be hard. 

No shit. And honestly, 95% of callsigns in my experience are not even offensive in any way...usually a funny story behind them and that’s about it. Wonder if I should celebrate my millionth RF this summer with a Ben Dover or Mike Hunt name tag.

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9 hours ago, Pooter said:

There is no world in which fighter pilot callsigns will be run by the EO office. It's hilarious that this dumbass of a squadron commander thinks that would ever be a thing that anyone would agree to.  I would 110% prefer to not have an official callsign than to do this dickdance and I know every single other pilot in the entire CAF feels the exact same way. 

The predictable result of this is that squadrons are just going to have secret roll calls and namings off base with no bobs invited. Those will be twice as rowdy and irresponsible as if they just let us have our fun in the bar.

If I was the mayor during this train wreck I would, in order:

-resign

-cancel all future rolls calls and namings

-tell everyone in the squadron to stop wearing their callsign name tags

-and then I'd coordinate on the bro level to throw the biggest effing offensive secret naming rager of all time.

 

It's gotten pretty close to that already. This has been an ongoing issue, mainly focused on PC names and perception. To the point where the commander would go on urban dictionary and if there was anything derogatory in any of the posts associated with the name, he would then rename the individual with something he deemed appropriate. Many times we would have names for pilots for days or weeks before he deemed it unprofessional and changed it.

We had some new pilots PCS in. SICKS and NEIN. Great callsigns for the 2 pilots, earned at a different base at a different time. They had their callsigns taken away and are now referred to by their first names.

The mayor is basically dead. Not a spear, this specific mayor is an absolute hero, but the micromanagement and ALR with the role is too much currently. The CC is unpredictable and it is absolute hell. I have stories that could go on for days regarding the lunacy stemming from this commander (many during deployment when his chaoticness directly impacted dudes trying to fly combat sorties).

I wish I could tell you the last time the Warhawks had any semblance of morale. I can predict the next time it will be seen is roughly sometime in May, when Phats PCSs.

 

 

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In the past month the warhawks have also lost

- Their hand signal/gang sign (used to be a W by lowering the ring finger - reason given was that it looked too much like the shocker)

- "FNG" name. Previously new pilots were referred to as Filthy Beans (FB) until named. The new "new guy" call sign is New Warhawk ________ (first name only). NW is not an accepted abbreviation for "New Warhawk" as it may be misconstrued (???)

- Top 6-9 meetings are no longer referred to as Top 6-9 meetings due to the sexual nature of their name. They are now Top 4-8 meetings, "or commander, DO, ADO, and Flt CC meetings - no other names will be accepted"

 

 

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9 hours ago, Anon696969 said:

In the past month the warhawks have also lost

Wow dude, that is all unbelievable. Hope Spang gets an awesome FS/CC in the summer who undoes all this bullshit. Also hope Lt Col Kennedy retires and is summarily blackballed by every airline. Also, go guard.

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He really might be the worst CC I’ve personally heard of. Godspeed Spang bros. Don’t let the young guys give up, make sure they know this will pass and there is light at the end of the tunnel. Help reinforce this with awesome no-bob parties and max emphasis on tactical badassery at work.   
 

Edit: It goes without saying we don’t have the whole picture, and something likely happened as a precursor. But, this is a clear example of epically failing to deal with the problem appropriately. I don’t care if someone wore a Jerk MeHoff name tag TDY or the boss was gone when they named someone Eat a bag of dicks. Those are things that should be dealt with in ways other than full scorched earth on morale and traditions (of which are entirely clean in nature).

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3 hours ago, pawnman said:

Well...now I'm curious what the offensive version of "JM" is.

I’m impressed that the LPA managed to come up with an offensive double meaning and it made it back to the Bob in less than a day.

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MR MAYOR!  POINT OF ORDER!

I move that Lt Herr’s new call sign be “Prince Albert”, or “Prince” for short.

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I’ve seen the occasional socially awkward CC, but most of them knew they were socially awkward and came to accept it as a limitation, working around it.  This idiot sounds completely oblivious.

Suggest a hostile renaming: D.B.  You know, for Daring Bob.  Used in a sentence: “We used to call him Phats, but that was before he came out of the closet as a raging Daring Bob.”

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