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Are old/obese white people or more or less vulnerable to C19 than young otherwise healthy people of color?  I haven’t been following the science closely, appreciate any data you have.

And since discrimination based on ethnicity is on the table now, what other areas of society is this practice acceptable?
 
As far as I know most states already prioritized the elderly and many added the obese or otherwise health impaired are already eligible or further up on vaccine schedule than healthy individuals. A quick search indicates that Vermont has done this as well.
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2 hours ago, Breckey said:

It couldn't possibly be that people of color have a higher incidence of COVID in the state and that this is a way to reduce the numbers much like other populations...

COVID-19 among BIPOC (healthvermont.gov)

I understand that data.
 

But under the current Governor’s mandate, a white person and a person of color that have not met previous eligibility criteria and have the exact same risk level, with the only difference being the pigment of their skin; the white person gets to pound sand and wait just because they don’t have the right color skin. That’s discrimination. 


There is of course a legitimate way to handle this that doesn’t segregate shot eligibility based on skin color, and it goes like this, “As the governor of Vermont I am opening vaccine eligibility to all Vermont residents age 16 and up. In addition, I have authorized our vaccine task force to put special emphasis on getting additional vaccine supply to our underserved communities that have been hit harder by this virus. We need as many Vermonters as possible to get this shot as soon as possible and opening up the eligibility to all will accomplish this.”

Of course there are almost no real leaders anymore in the political class, so we get race based decision to score political points. 
 

Can you imagine if you replaced POC with “white person” in the governors statement? It would sound like something right out of Deep South segregation. 

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On 4/2/2021 at 7:36 PM, kaputt said:

a white person and a person of color that have not met previous eligibility criteria and have the exact same risk level, with the only difference being the pigment of their skin;

It’s even worse than that. A 16 yr old healthy, black person who has almost no risk of dying from COVID gets a shot while a 39 yr old white person who has a high-risk child or parent at home does not. This has nothing to do with risk and everything to do with political pandering. Congrats Gov Scott, now you’re not just an idiot, you’re a racist too. 

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Not saying it’s not a fast moving ballgame; in 12 days 30+ can get it, and in 15 days 16+ can get it. That doesn’t change the fact this is blatant racism. Is it acceptable and not racist if I use the N word in public, as long as I clarify I’m only doing it for the next two weeks?  

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I think the difference is that studies have shown that people of color have worse health outcomes due to COVID than whites.

As of 7 March, blacks have COVID death rate of 178 per 100k, compared to 124 for whites. Indigenous, hispanic, and pacific islander all have higher rates than whites as well.

While this policy is raced-based, I don't see it as being racist. They have also prioritized groups that are at higher risk like the elderly, immuno-compromised, and health care workers. Is everybody who is black going to be worse off? No, but you make public health policy off of the masses, not the individuals.



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16 minutes ago, Breckey said:

I think the difference is that studies have shown that people of color have worse health outcomes due to COVID than whites.

As of 7 March, blacks have COVID death rate of 178 per 100k, compared to 124 for whites. Indigenous, hispanic, and pacific islander all have higher rates than whites as well.

While this policy is raced-based, I don't see it as being racist. They have also prioritized groups that are at higher risk like the elderly, immuno-compromised, and health care workers. Is everybody who is black going to be worse off? No, but you make public health policy off of the masses, not the individuals.


 

Show me a study that actually says the color of your skin is a biological reason for being at higher risk of Covid...

I’ve looked myself and the reason minorities have a higher death rate seems to be due to socio-economic factors, health culture within the community, and medical access. Those are real issues of course, but the thing about socio-economic issues is that they aren’t only limited to people of color. Although I guess people really believe that these days (Joe Biden’s “Poor kids are just as bright as white kids” comes to mind), which is honestly a form of soft racism in and of itself, but that’s a whole other topic itself. Bottom line though, a white person can also be poor, unhealthy, and have limited limited access to health care. 
 

I’ll reiterate again why this policy is legitimately racist. A poor person of color and a poor white person live next to each other in a poor section of Vermont that has had higher rates of COVID death. Each person has the exact same biological risk factor, is the same age, is the same sex, same access to health care, and both have no at risk people in their house. Under the governor’s policy, the white person cannot get a shot simply because they are white even though the person next to them, who is by all other measures equal to them other than skin color, can. That is discrimination in its most pure and basic form!!!

Its honestly embarrassing that people in this country would give that a pass these days. 

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That's fair. How would you then go about prioritizing those with the socioeconomic risk factors for COVID? Prioritize those on Medicaid or SNAP benefited?

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Show me a study that actually says the color of your skin is a biological reason for being at higher risk of Covid...
I’ve looked myself and the reason minorities have a higher death rate seems to be due to socio-economic factors, health culture within the community, and medical access. Those are real issues of course, but the thing about socio-economic issues is that they aren’t only limited to people of color. Although I guess people really believe that these days (Joe Biden’s “Poor kids are just as bright as white kids” comes to mind), which is honestly a form of soft racism in and of itself, but that’s a whole other topic itself. Bottom line though, a white person can also be poor, unhealthy, and have limited limited access to health care. 
 
I’ll reiterate again why this policy is legitimately racist. A poor person of color and a poor white person live next to each other in a poor section of Vermont that has had higher rates of COVID death. Each person has the exact same biological risk factor, is the same age, is the same sex, same access to health care, and both have no at risk people in their house. Under the governor’s policy, the white person cannot get a shot simply because they are white even though the person next to them, who is by all other measures equal to them other than skin color, can. That is discrimination in its most pure and basic form!!!
Its honestly embarrassing that people in this country would give that a pass these days. 


I think you make several good points, especially about how a lot of race issues are intertwined with socioeconomic issues.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/health-equity/race-ethnicity.html

That being said,

Urgent health problems exist for many U.S. subpopulations, but a uniform pattern of disadvantage, stretching from perinatal health to dementia and reduction of life expectancy, is found only among black Americans. Finally, the impact of race on other aspects of social life, such as housing, education, and employment, is more significant among blacks.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK25517/
This article argues essentially what you are about diseases at large, and race health issues being tied to social, economic, or location/environment issues rather than generic issues or predispositions. But they acknowledge that this leads to race being used as a proxy for those other, possibly causal issues because it's an easier way to address the problem.

Weirdly enough, it seems like we as a country are more willing to tackle/talk race issues (as uncomfortable as that discussion has been) than address socioeconomic and class issues.
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On 4/4/2021 at 10:44 AM, Breckey said:

That's fair. How would you then go about prioritizing those with the socioeconomic risk factors for COVID? Prioritize those on Medicaid or SNAP benefited?

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MLB is woke now. Not that I watched it anyway. Are there any Dart leagues or maybe Badminton we could support? 

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9 minutes ago, arg said:

MLB is woke now. Not that I watched it anyway. Are there any Dart leagues or maybe Badminton we could support? 

You basically have to stick to niche sports now to avoid getting hit over the head with political messaging. 
 

My regular sports viewing is basically down to auto racing (Indycar, sports cars, sometimes F1) and golf. 

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I stopped watching all sports a few years ago; maybe a game a year. Turns out there’s tons of stuff to do with my time that is infinitely better than sitting on the couch supporting these bullshit organizations. Life without football and baseball is phenomenal...never would have said that a few years ago.

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If that dude sitting their with his head up his ass is still alive, fire him.

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If that dude sitting their with his head up his ass is still alive, fire him.

Holy hell dude.


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I don't know, he kind of reminds me of the extra guy from Ghostbusters, who was just there for the job and didn't really know what he was getting into when he volunteered.

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One guy had training, experience, and SA, the other didn't.  Besides, it's not like you have a port hole for the men to shoot out of like the Bradley, the 1972 version.

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