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Assuming you will be twice failed of selection:
1. You can request an earlier DOS than the one they give you via Form 780. I'd recommend no less than 2 mos to give you time to outprocess.
2. If you are interested in ARC service, you must request a waiver in conjunction with getting a unit to hire you. The waiver (at least in the past) has to be signed off by the losing & gaining WG/CCs, then goes to NGB for ANG or AFRC HQ for AFRES. It can take a couple months, so you should lay the groundwork now with a unit and your ANG or Reserve ISR (in-service recruiter). When you obtain your DOS, have the recruiter immediately put you on the scroll to obtain a reserve commission as that process can take a while.
2a. There's a gotcha here. If you have a break in service between Reg and ARC, you will be ineligible for promotion until 365 days has elapsed as a reserve. You should do the "Palace Front" program. The ISR should know all about it, but the bottom line is that until you get a reserve commission via scroll, do not leave RegAF.
3. If you write a letter to the board which causes your 2nd non-selection, you will not get separation pay. If you eventually get a reserve retirement pension or VA disability payment, you would need to pay back separation pay anyway, so this may not be a big deal unless you need the money now.
4. Speaking of VA disability, if there are any issues you don't have adequately documented with the medical folks, now is the time to get it done.
5. Prepare for a civilian job. Charm school, suit, lose weight, resume, applications, logbook, mil to civilian certs, ATP, 1st class med, etc. All this takes loads of time.
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Pancake: I hear you about being set on retirement, so this is for anybody else who might find himself in the same situation.
Several options to keep your TIS ticking in USAFR if your present unit won’t let you “hang out” to get your TIG:
1. transfer to IRR—NNRPS. No guarantee this will work as ARPC seems to be heavily against the concept that IRR is actually a thing. Actually read a AFBCMR case where ARPC shamefully screwed a guy who tried it. Might be worth a try, though, if you’re unwilling to do more duty.
2. funeral honors duty as part of PIRR—I don’t know the mechanism for this.
3. Emergency Preparedness Liaison Officer. Cat B thru AFNORTH.4. CAP-RAP Cat E or B
5. Admissions Liaison Officer Cat E
6. Selective Service System Cat B
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Obvious: you could stay DSG for another yr, blow off the AT, then retire. I haven’t done the math on whether or not this would be worth it in the end to delay retired pay by a year.
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What Scooter said above is the ticket. Even if you get a 2yr TIG waiver, the only effect will be what your ID card says (and your rank upon recall to the regular component, if that would actually happen). Your high-36 will be unchanged. The mechanism for the next higher rank is called converting your regular retirement to a reserve retirement at your reserve retired age. This will give you a bump in your high-36 calculation and gets you a promotion in the retired reserve.
Gotchas:
- Tricare Prime/Select at age 60: If, because you have a reduced retired pay age, you convert prior to age 60 you will lose Tricare until age 60.
- To be eligible: You need a duration of 2 years' TR/DSG "service" (excludes all active duty such as AT, MPA, etc) after attaining 20 yrs TAFMS. I can only speculate how this would be calculated. For example, I'd guess that if you did 2 complete years of pure DSG service, that would include 30 days of AT, so you'd have to do 2 yrs and 30 days' duration.
ARPC Convert Reg to Rsv retirement
Text of the link:
June 17, 2020
Converting active duty retirement to AFR, ANG retirement
By Air Reserve Personnel Center Public Affairs Air Reserve Personnel Center Public AffairsBUCKLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Colorado –
Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard members who have completed 20 years of total active federal military service, or TAFMS, are eligible for immediate pay and benefits upon retirement.However, for AFR or ANG members who further their careers in a traditional status and possibly accept a higher grade, these service members have the option to convert their active duty retirement to an AF Reserve retirement (applies to both AFR and ANG) in accordance with Title 10 USC 12731.
In order to convert to an AF Reserve retirement at the highest grade/rank, members will have to complete a minimum of two years of satisfactory Air Reserve Component service, excluding active duty, after completion of 20 years of TAFMS. The excluded active duty service includes annual training, RPA, MPA, schools, and deployments.
Additionally, ANG members are eligible to convert their active duty retirements to an AF Reserve retirement by completing one year of service in the position of adjutant general or assistant adjutant general. Note that just one year makes you eligible if your appointment is terminated in accordance with Title 32, Section 324(b).
This is not an automatic application; members with enough active duty in their highest-held grade will need to apply for this benefit. HQ ARPC recommends service members who are approaching age 60 to apply three months ahead of their birthdays to convert to an ARC retirement and obtain a higher grade.
APPLICATION PROCESS
Service members must apply in writing for the conversion of their active duty retirement to an Air Force Reserve retirement by submitting the following request to HQ ARPC/DPTTR via myPers approximately three months prior to their 60th birthday or Reduced Retired Pay Age, or RRPA:“I___________________, do hereby apply to convert my Active Duty retired pay to Reserve retired pay under provision of Title 10, United States Code (U.S.C.), Section 12741, to be effective on____________, in the grade of _____________. I understand that my Active Duty retired pay will be terminated the day prior to the Reserve retired pay effective date.”
HQ ARPC/DPTTR will audit the service member’s point credit summary to verify eligibility. If eligibility is confirmed, DPTTR will publish an AF Reserve (EL) retirement order. Finally, HQ ARPC/DPTTR will forward the appropriate pay package to DFAS New Accounts for pay adjustment.
MEDICAL BENEFITS
Medical coverage will begin on the anniversary of the service member’s 60th birthday. Members are responsible for ensuring they have adequate medical coverage for themselves and their families after the conversion. A service member who is eligible for medical benefits under their active duty retirement will no longer be eligible for the same benefits upon conversion to an ARC retirement until age 60. Eligibility for the TRICARE Prime medical benefits is age 60 under an ARC retirement regardless of RRPA date.RESERVE COMPONENT SURVIVOR BENEFIT PLAN (RCSBP)
Service members eligible for an active duty retirement must make a Survivor Benefit Program election upon retirement. The RCSBP election on file in the service member’s personnel record will remain “as is”. Service members will not be afforded another opportunity to change that election upon conversion from an active duty retirement to an ARC retirement. -
My experience as a TR asking for a TIG waiver 3 yrs ago: ARPC/AFPC does not entertain nor even forward up the chain unless they’re in a force drawdown. Typically in a force drawdown they will announce that they’ll consider TIG waivers. I don’t know if there is a mechanism to force ARPC to send up the chain. Might try networking/talking to Colonels.
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20 hours ago, snoopyeast said:
Being on a ANG promotion select list does not transfer over to the reserves. You must be pinned on (federally recognized) before transferring.
This is true if it’s a state board. It is not true if it’s a national board. (The normal, every yr board at ARPC is the national (title 10) process.
for ex: I met the normal, every year ARPC board in early 2019. Was selected and on the list by Aug. During my wait to pin on (and prior to ANG Fedrec) I transferred from ANG to AFRES in Nov. I was AFRES for about 5 mos, then pinned on Mar 2020
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Since the TSP revamped the website not too long ago, there is only one way. Any reference to paper forms is old gouge.
On the website home page: click "more" on the menu ribbon, then click "withdrawals and rollovers out" then go from there as it's fairly self-explanatory. There is no agent who will do (or can do) anything for you except step you thru the website. Your receiving agent can do nothing.
TSP needs you to supply the account number and the address of where to send the check. Example of Fidelity IRA (found on Fidelity website):
Fidelity ATTN Direct Rollovers
PO BOX 770001
Cincinnati OH 45277-0037
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On 12/12/2023 at 12:10 PM, Clark Griswold said:
Anybody roll their TSP to their 401k and any tips/gotchas?
Seems straightforward but before I pull the handle any advice is appreciated
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI forgot to add the one gotcha I experienced and this may have been just me, but I suspect that it is a systemic issue, at least with ARPC, as evidenced by others on Reddit having the same:
I retired from AFRES (IRR) and did their outprocessing checklists in all aspects. One month later, TSP website still showed me as "Active".
The fix: ARPC needed to transmit to DFAS that I retired and failed to do so. I had to open a MyFSS ticket to cause ARPC finance people to do their jorb. They opened a CMS case with their people at DFAS and then they adjusted my status (for this particular system) to "retired." This info got transmitted to TSP about 2 weeks later and then I could start the TSP withdrawal process. Total evolution on this was 2 months.
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My company’s Roth 401k doesn’t accept Roth money. Apparently they didn’t pay Fidelity for that option or somesuch. I had to transfer my Roth TSP to my Roth IRA.
regardless, it’s all done online from the TSP website. Your receiving custodian will receive a mailed check from TSP. The only identifying information on the check is your name and account number at the receiving institution, so be sure those are filled out correctly on the TSP web form. Total evolution: 2 weeks. In my case I then had to buy something with the cash they deposited. A 401k will auto-buy whatever you have set up.
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But can you get ATIS while hovering? That’s the tru test…
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Lost in all the regAF land grabs and the ARC’s acquiescence is the basic concept of the reserve: you are a free citizen, regardless of the threats otherwise. OTOH, ARC is also free to kick yo shiz to Denver.
I have observed that (in the ARC) corporate knowledge of the basic ARC mechanisms for dealing with wayward members has been forgotten in various tribes.
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Tell them whatever they want to hear, get hired, then do what you will. It’s a free country after all.
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Hard for a part-timer ANG to promote beyond O-5.
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More Army breaking faith and beating the bushes.
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At the time I was a contractor in AFG and it might have had some applicability, but outside of that, probably not for me. LIT FSDO referred me to the Baton Rouge FSDO to get the endorsement, since they do it for all the oil rig choppers in the gulf. But I never did get it, turned out I never needed it.
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At Little Rick FSDO the guy allowed 1 or 2 specific days per mo where he would do these types of services, by appointment only, so if that matches up with your schedule you can save a few bucks. But he was unfamiliar with a wide variety of things such as the aforementioned IP check=CFII, refused to do NVG endorsement bc of unfamiliarity, window for CFI renewal while keeping your same exp mo, and others. Except for NVG he was able to be persuaded, but this comes down to the individual bureaucrat you deal with. I used him for CFI renewal 4 times, back when I was renewing based on recurrent mil IP check rides.
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https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/14/arizona-cardinals-kyler-murray-sports-bra-training-camp-nfl/
More like a training bra at sports camp
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ARPC says exactly 3 yrs TIG as an O-5 in a participating status (not simply on the RASL bc they want to specifically exclude IRR time) to hold that in the retired reserve, ie (365.25*3) days. So six months prior to achieving that you can apply for transfer to RetRsv.
I don’t know if or how good years enter into the equation and ARPC itself doesn’t know or won’t say. It is my opinion that the safest thing is to get at least 50 pts per R/R year while trying to get TIG. And then if you’re past 20 good yrs and it’s your final R/R yr then a prorated partial good year (if you are looking to retire immediately after attaining 3 yrs TIG).
You’re correct that once you have TIG it is only a points game. Or you might make O-6, then need 3 yrs TIG for that, then it again becomes only a points game.
You’ll max out the pay chart in terms of years bc gray area time counts as TIS (for pay chart purposes only).
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My feeling is that nowadays no waivers are entertained at any level bc they gotta pump those numbers up. However, it doesn’t hurt to ask with a good story!
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Your best bet is to discuss with the POC (there’s a GS at AFPC who handles these boards). I say that bc it’s unclear verbiage, ie it can be read 2 ways. I’d hate for you to go down a path only to find out you were never eligible in the first place due to a misunderstanding.
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If what you’re saying is correct, then you’d still be a current officer and thus ineligible. If this recruiter is trying to get you enlisted in the reserve, you’d still be a former officer. Going back to your initial question, “can a reserve officer apply to a RegAF UPT board?” IDK, but since you say current and former officers need not apply, it seems you have your answer.
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That would be an unnecessary step, IMO. Here’s what I would attempt to do: get a conditional release via DD368 from your present service’s IRR. When you receive it back, then start the RegAF accession process. This way you’re now eligible bc your losing service has granted permission.
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You’d need to initiate conditional release from your service’s IRR, contingent on commissioning into Air Force Reserve (which requires scrolling). Before starting this process, though, you’d need to get a promise of hire by a Reserve squadron, which at the front end is the same process as an off the street hire, assuming you were not a rated pilot in your previous service.
AFAIK: IST applies only to regular to regular moves, otherwise it’s conditional release for reserve to reserve; but whatever they want to do to get the process done doesn’t need to concern you as long as you don’t have a break in service if at all possible.
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Where’s my damned violin?!
I didn’t make Major rank what next
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True, I didn't think of that. So in that event, I'd recommend probably write the letter to get the 2nd FOS to a 99.9% certainty.