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On 4/20/2022 at 5:25 AM, pawnman said:
lawful orders
Be careful Pawn... EUA drugs cannot be mandated without presidential waiver. This General said the quiet part out loud: https://fb.watch/c40sAzGDis/
But he's probs just an armchair lawyer.
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All of a sudden, he is stating that they haven't been using BLA compliant vaccines this whole time. This General is probably just misinformed or perhaps he is just an armchair lawyer. Who cares if the DoD follows the law, all vaccines are probably made well enough right? EUA, BLA who gives a shit?
But before we dig any further, the war is heating up. Keep your phones and TVs on at all times tuned to CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC etc. etc.
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23 hours ago, BashiChuni said:
so i guess covid's over huh?
midterms coming up and a coordinated dropping of mask mandates, vax cards, vax mandates, etc
so scientific!
Well the ScIEnCe has changed. get with the times.
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On 2/13/2022 at 3:24 PM, Prozac said:
I think Viper and many others have built up a perfect foil in their heads and when someone like you or I present any dissenting opinion, they like to place us in that slot. The truth is most people on all sides of the issue have nuanced views that make it hard to put them into two easy categories: “anti vax” or “fear porn monger”. @ViperMan, fwiw, I will continue to base my decisions and opinions on the advice of medical experts, despite your apparent impeccable credentials as an aviation god, therefore unquestionable expert in medicine, finance, legal advice, and any other subject you choose to pontificate upon. You sir, are going to fit right in with the crusty airline captain crowd someday.
Which experts?
Nice ad homonym at the end. Total zinger! Always a good call when logic fails.
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On 2/1/2022 at 6:20 AM, bennynova said:
Many of you have seen the topic of the recent F35 crash being discussed, along with statements supposedly made by the pilot right before he ejected that he was having chest pains. As skeptical of everything that has to do with the vaccine as I am, even I thought the reporting on this was BS hyperbole. Until about 30 minutes ago, that is. . . I commanded an F/A-18 squadron in the 2007-2010 time frame, and a good friend of mine who was also a Hornet squadron commander and Airboss afterwards just called to tell me that he heard the unedited PLAT tape with his own ears, and before ejecting the pilots says: "I'm experiencing sudden and intense chest pain as if someone hit me in the chest with a baseball bat. ing vaccine!" Again - even though I'd seen reporting along these lines over a week ago, I discounted it as BS. But it's not. . . UFB!
anyone see this?
Made up, or some truth?
Smells funny. Like Indian food and diapers.
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21 hours ago, TheNewGazmo said:
@pawnman He probably hasn’t seen the Kentucky study, eh?
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21 hours ago, Prozac said:
This Big Pharma argument is so disingenuous. If you refuse to trust pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and the FDA, fine. I have no problem with that. Just be intellectually honest and stop shopping at the grocery store. Stop taking your Tylenol, your Prilosec, and your Viagra. Go grow your own vegetables, raise your own meat, and stop taking all medications. To do anything otherwise means you implicitly trust the system in place and are talking out of your ass.
Lol See thalidomide, see Tuskegee experiments, see all the recalled drugs in our nations history. I am the only person who has my best interest in mind. I’m not saying that we shall throw the baby out with the bath water (the FDA and CDC do some good work), but these covid drugs seem much more on the side of thalidomide, than penicillin or Tylenol.
I’ve never seen such targeted adds for the use of Tylenol in children, but for covid they are literally paying children to get vaccinated ( see “kids deserve a shot” website ). State gov agencies have raffled off scholarships, lottery tickets and much more in the name of “public safety”. Doesn’t that smell weird to you? If the medicine was so good shouldn’t you have to pay for it? Oh wait, as a taxpayer we already paid for it via a juicy contract to the tune of 2 billion, and to add insult to injury we paid for all the coercive incentive programs for people to take it. If something seems too good to be true, it usually is.
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5 hours ago, Prozac said:
This Big Pharma argument is so disingenuous. If you refuse to trust pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and the FDA, fine. I have no problem with that. Just be intellectually honest and stop shopping at the grocery store. Stop taking your Tylenol, your Prilosec, and your Viagra. Go grow your own vegetables, raise your own meat, and stop taking all medications. To do anything otherwise means you implicitly trust the system in place and are talking out of your ass.
Do you believe that the humans that work at the top of the CDC and FDA re truly there to serve the common good? Who are they beholden too? If they do bad, is there any method for accountability to the public? Are the leaders of the cdc and fda incentivized to hold other things above our individual health? Is there a thick, wide and well lit line between big pharma and the gov?
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18 minutes ago, Prozac said:
“All” 😂
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nuke conversations lol. Nobody is forcing anyone to participate in the conversation hahah. Daddy stop the bad people from talking bad😢
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17 hours ago, Negatory said:
If you think the fact that we have multiple orders of magnitude more people on ventilators for respiratory distress than previous years is due largely to hospitals forcing otherwise healthy people to be intubated, then I’ve got nothing for you.
Is it 10x,100x or 1000x? Just so we are on the same page here…
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17 hours ago, dream big said:
No matter our opinion on the vaccine, this is a huge win for this country and our liberties. It’s amazing to see checks and balances in work. America will be okay.
Not sure what gives you such confidence, when a few days prior we had one scotus justice say there were 100k children in the hospital from covid and many were on ventilators. Another one said we had 750 million cases (understandabley I think he meant 750k). these people are the last nine of defense for our “checks and balances”….
And in the same ruling they approved the CMS (voting 5-4) which does not even offer a testing option. While Joe and his OSHA workaround had their hands slapped, the Federal governments grasp on our nation has increased yet again.
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1 hour ago, Guardian said:
If everyone got the VAX and wore their masks Covid 19 would cease to exist.
Change my mind.https://rumble.com/vrlv1o-fauci-finally-admits-that-covid-will-not-be-eradicated.html
even god disagrees with that.
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8 hours ago, Mark1 said:
a piece
*330 million pieces*
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13 hours ago, Pooter said:
You know our ancestors actually used to not have any cloth anywhere on their bodies?! But then we started wearing pants and shirts at some point. I wonder if the cavemen lamented the collective damaging of our psyches when that was implemented.
Remember when our ancestors breathed from their bodies? Those were good times.
Social cues and communication derived from bodies are largely unhindered by the wearing of clothes— the same cannot be said about masks.
Theater! The show must go on 🤡
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1 hour ago, Prozac said:
And this is why we can’t have nice things.
There shall be no risk in public!!!
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14 minutes ago, Prozac said:
Oh gmafb! Refusing a direct order to get vaccinated (especially after you’ve already rolled up your sleeve for a phalanx of them) is HARDLY the same thing as looking the other way as your army marches an entire race of people into death camps. The constant comparisons to Nazi Germany/Stalinist Russia/etc. are laughable at best and highly offensive at worst and they make it hard to take any of your arguments seriously. What do you think leadership would’ve told some marine who refused to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima on religious grounds? Seriously, if someone was pulling this shit on any other issue, you’d call them out for the whiny, entitled bitches they are.
When did SMs take an MRNA vax before?
Also the do it for country attitude is IMO an appeal to emotion— ya know pandering to the insecure— ‘real men would roll up their sleeve’. there are no mental black flips required to see that storming a beach is directly related to the mission of the armed forces. It’s honorable, brave, and those men had big brass ones.
where you loose people is when you say taking a vaccine is roughly equivalent to storming beaches. Bottom line is the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission so how is this a selfless act anymore? How is this the honorable thing to do on behalf of the mission?— Especially, if you’ve had the rona (pre omicron) and now that the omicron is out it appears to be similar to the seasonal cold. Good news and Hope that remains true with more omicron data coming out.
35 minutes ago, Prozac said:Tell me, what steps would you take if you were a member of the Joint Chiefs, a combatant commander, or even a WG/CC?
1.) promote physical activity, and non-pharma low risk preventative measures
2.) get after early treatment
3.) acknowledge natural immunity
4.) avoid having policy that you yourself don’t even follow (I.e. everyone mask, just not me)
5.) tell people not to come to work if they are sick
6.) acknowledge that the military is at extremely low risk
7.) avoid false promises
armchair session over. Easier said than done.
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2 hours ago, Negatory said:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/us-global-record-more-than-1m-daily-covid-cases
@ViperMan et al? Looks like your feelings based argument that we would never go a multiple above 250k isn’t panning out. Just like COVID going away on its own, ending when it heats up, disappearing, etc…
Is there a good source to find total tests administered across time?
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On 12/30/2021 at 12:59 PM, Waingro said:
What's it like to read scientific literature, and only understand a small chunk of it? Is it like hearing someone speak Spanish and being able to pick out a few words here and there? Your clown emoji is fitting.
On 12/30/2021 at 1:09 PM, Prozac said:No. Most people listening to a foreign language are capable of realizing they don’t understand most of it. What’s going on here is more akin to a non flying civilian perusing your dash 1 for an hour & then promptly declaring himself an expert in your weapons system.
Can you explain why the CDC is changing this? Why is the test being revoked? This is not a gotcha— like I legitimately do not understand why the change is occurring. The website does not make it apparent or clear...
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7 hours ago, Negatory said:
I don’t know why, but this thread being locked and then reopened with this crap has really hit a nerve. I’m tired of these “points” that aren’t points. Are we ever going to acknowledge facts and actually debate policies based on reason opposed to emotion? Are we going to talk about things like reasonable age based policies or rotating geographic protections? Are we ever going to actually acknowledge that the real risk is somewhere in the middle of “0.00007%” and “everyone is at significant risk?” Are we going to talk about risk based policies that actually take into account things like BMI, race, or health status to more effectively deal with this pandemic? Are we going to discuss policies to actually temporarily deal with the increased real hospital risk over time in a population if we do have a large infection? Are we going to discuss the high chance that Omicron actually will max out hospitals again even with vaccines based on its extremely high infection rate and ability to evade previous immunity? About how it’s almost a mathematical certainty we will approach 1.0M cases per day in the next week?
Or are we going to keep posting politicized, debunked talking points on both the liberal and conservative sides and then argue about how they’re wrong when we’ve had these discussions 10 times already? Whether that’s folks on the left not acknowledging the significantly diminished effects of the vaccine on transmission/infection or folks on the right posting bs talking points like you just did - it’s all in stupid. But, just as you would say “Orange man bad” to condense an actually intricate thought into a BS political viewpoint, I guess I could just summarize your post as “Brandon XD lol”.
I’m reminded of a good ole saying that generally holds true - definitely in these debates: “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is needed to produce it.” But let’s look at his “points.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law
1) 0 religious exceptions have been passed - so what? This is a question literally just to generate outrage, but not logically. We’ve addressed hypocrisy here in other threads, and I don’t think it was successfully refuted, but I guess if you keep saying that religious exemptions should be approved then by golly I guess they should be.
2) Him asking why the FDA didn’t explicitly recommend the vaccine is irrelevant when the CDC explicitly does recommend it. Oh, why didn’t he mention that? Intentionally misleading to split hairs between gov organizations to make it seem like the government doesn’t have a stance
3) The vaccine has been highly politicized, resulting in orders of magnitude higher reporting than for previous vaccines. This is literally just how politics appears in statistics - its comparing tomatoes to apples. I agree that there are potentially mildly increased risks of myocarditis for young males - but that’s not his point. He is saying that there are blanket increased rates of adverse events - which isn’t true, it’s just total numbers.
4) Bullshit trying to mislead people about Comirnaty generic vs brand when they are chemically identical and the government treats them legally the exact same. But he didn’t want to mention that? This is maybe the dumbest argument that armchair lawyers love to cite.
5) Only looking at deaths is intentionally misleading when we’ve seen that COVID can make things like carrier or submarine readiness questionable based purely on sickness, outbreaks, or long term effects. You had COVID? It takes you out for a few days. Oh and don’t forget that 10-30% of folks that had COVID have long term effects on their neuromuscular, digestive, respiratory, or cardiovascular systems. But we can ignore that. We can ignore everything but deaths, right? By the way, you’re also required to be vaccinated against rubella and the flu, which are significantly less bad from every aspect, yet where are the complaints? Also, quick question, how many marines have died from Rubella?
And I’m done here. It has taken me 10 times the energy to halfway refute this dumb video that has “legitimate questions.” Every singe one was intentionally misleading, largely fallacious, and irrelevant. I honestly look forward to this guy and similarly misguided folks like him that spout BS on social media in uniform getting their well-deserved discharges as they intentionally disrupt good order and discipline.
To end this rant on an even more sarcastic note, make sure to listen to Donald Trump’s recent direction to go get your booster.
I didn’t say anything about Trump….
thanks for taking the time to go through a few questions!
at the end of the day leaders regardless of their position on the mandate should do their level headed best to speak these “antivaxxers” with empathy, as I think some of the dissent is legitimate, whereas other dissent is fueled but mistrust instituted by FDA, Fauci, Trump, Biden and others ( “y’all aren’t horses”, “we need 55years to release documents”, “I am science”, “ you won’t get sick if you take the vaccine”, “these vaccines are miracles”, “take the vaccine so we can finally defeat covid”)— misleading, condescending comments, straight up lies, poor predictions, low accountability and bad policies have got many SM ready to pull chute. I hope they don’t because I think our military would suffer if there were a substantial step function decrease across all branches at once.
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9 minutes ago, Splash95 said:
The mods apparently locked the other thread, and since the wu flu doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon I think we should still have the ability to discuss it and its impact within and outside the AF.
Anyone follow Alex Berenson btw? https://alexberenson.substack.com/
I agree, but it was getting out of hand. Ad hominem on both sides of the argument. Not productive. Hopefully we can stick to more civil, idea (not person) based criticism and dialogue. BO is a great resource to hear differing opinions!
Here what seems to be an earnest attempt to ask important question for leaders in the marine corps.
Very professional, civil, and advocate for good order and discipline. These are legitimate questions. Hope they get answered before a large exodus from our military.
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3 hours ago, Mark1 said:
as they aren't using their faith to justify causing harm.
Is one of these religious people who has documented previous infection from Covid-19 and has fully recovered a threat? Are they causing harm to the military? To anyone? Surely the CDC would have a plethora of evidence of spread of the disease from one of those covid-19 recovered person/antivaxxers/flat earthers/ unenlightened/incapable of critical thoughters, right? Oh wait…
https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/21-02152-Final-Response-Letter-Brehm-1.pdf
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1 hour ago, Mark1 said:
Why would you seek accommodation to remain part of an organization that is actively sanctioning and promoting use of something that spits in the face of god? Even if they accommodate your individual objections, they are pushing it on the masses that don't share your enlightenment, and that is the work of the devil. Seeking individual religious accommodation does nothing to redeem the organization that you would continue to be a part of. Seems you're pursuing exemption for the sake of money/safety/comfort at the expense of your righteousness. Wouldn't the righteous thing be to resign rather than seek accommodation?
I'm sad that I'll never live to see it, but it gives me great comfort to know that religious delusion is gradually losing out to the true enlightenment of reason, and though it will never disappear altogether, my great-great-great grandchildren will live in a world where it is so utterly insignificant as to be meaningless. Praise god.
keep on the watch for those god darn (notice the little “g” in god bahahahah) simpletons of such lowly character and intellect in our military.
Pawn has passed the baton of stirring the pot onto a valiant steed.
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COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)
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https://fb.watch/c40sAzGDis/ rewatch, but for comprehension this time:)