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  1. 8 minutes ago, stuckindayton said:

    Like I asked, the only retesting I've heard of is if there was any question about the results being influenced by a recent illness.  Apart from that, I'm not aware of a retesting process.  I wish I could be of more help.

    Does that question have to come from internal medicine or could we make a case for it?

  2. 40 minutes ago, stuckindayton said:

    I'm sorry to hear about this.  I'm sure they asked at WP, but is there any chance you had a recent or semi-recent URI, allergies, COVID?  Anything that may have impacted your test results?  I know the AF is very down on asthma.  Even heard of an elite marathoner being DQ'd for it.  Makes no sense to me, but I'm certainly no pulmonologist.

    I wish, honestly. But I don't think that would make a difference because it just makes no sense to fail a PFT one day then pass an exercise challenge test which included 14 PFT's in a row, all of them normal, within limits. Signed off by the doctor internally too. The only thing that I think impacted the first PFT was my nervousness and tiredness. I psyched myself out and was only ever on hand held PFT machines. Not the machines fixed to structures where you have to adjust to it as opposed to the handheld devices adjusting to you.


     Is there some type of process where people can request retests at WP? Or is it over once the flight docs at WP sign it "no waiver recommended"? 

  3. Just got the DQ from WP on asthma DQ. I have a SG waiver for general entrance, 2 negative methacholine challenge tests with associated PFT's and DLCO tests, but my 3rd day at WP I took a PFT and ed it up bad. I don't know if it was nerves or I was exhausted but I knew something wasn't going right during it but never given any hints of how I was doing. Also, apparently because I failed the PFT, I wasn't even supposed to go onto the exercise challenge test. But for some reason I did and accomplished it and passed it, without any of the problems I had with the PFT the day earlier. But now WP is telling me I have severe asthma and need to seek immediate medical care - one of the worst cases they have ever seen apparently. 


    I'm at the end of the road now and am accepting that this isn't in the cards for me despite my best efforts. I just wanted to post this to see if anyone has any advice, any thoughts, knows of any possible way to fight this. I can't believe I ed up my one shot on that pft and the sucky thing is I can walk into my pulmonologists office and demonstrate a normal PFT. 


    • Is it possible to get back to WP and demonstrate a normal PFT? Or are asthma tests a one time only thing?
    • Maybe there is too much risk associated with me because I failed the most basic test at WP?
    • Do they think I'm cheating and bringing inhalers to my tests to pass?
  4. 9 minutes ago, stuckindayton said:

    I'm assuming you're still at WP.  Maybe that's incorrect.

    Yeah I'm still at WP, haven't seen the optometrist yet. I'm just going to stop bugging out over this until I see a doctor then lol. Also my PRK was definitely for myopia, the tech was rushing me so I wasn't the most confident in my answers..

  5. 2 minutes ago, stuckindayton said:

    9 esophoria is quite a bit.  Did you have hyperopic (far-sighted) PRK by chance?  It seems unlikely as 99.8% of PRK is for myopia, but esophoria goes hand in hand with hyperopia.  Either way, the esophoria could certainly be associated with reduced depth perception (technically stereopsis if you to be technically correct).

    I'm not sure if I'm interpreting the results correctly. When I put my head into the machine and saw the lines line up, I said the lines line up at #9. Does this change anything?

  6. 5 hours ago, stuckindayton said:

    When I was at WP, the policy was that the 20/50 was just used as a benchmark when there was a question about complications after PRK.  A person wasn't DQ'd simply because they weren't 20/50.  It was to gauge whether a complication (usually scarring after PRK) needed to be addressed.  Having said that, the most common reason people aren't 20/50 is that they still have a little residual prescription after PRK/LASIK and the test gets rerun with the correction in place.  If you can demonstrate you are capable of 20/50 with correction, that is all that is required.  That doesn't drive the requirement to wear correction while flying.  That is solely based on the 20/20 and depth perception requirement.  The 20/50 is a little bit of a legacy holdover from when PRK had a lot more complication than we see today.

    Did you also say that you failed depth perception?  Is it possible you have a bit of a lazy eye?  That would explain both the depth and reduced contrast sensitivity.  Perhaps I'm reaching. 

    Thanks for responding! Yeah I failed DP for some reason, but did fine at MEPS. Not quite sure what the problem is right now. I read my chart and it read esophoria 9. Never had problems in life with strabismus or phorias but looks like I might have a minor phoria. Trying to go into ophthalmology tomorrow armed with as much info as possible.

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  7. Since I had PRK, I had to do a contrast sensitivity test. I only got 17 letters, which worked out to something like 20/67, while the waiver guide states I need to be 20/50 or better for each eye. Does anyone have any optics on this specifically? 

  8. Northrop indeed offers 5 years of differential pay for the pipeline pilot's go through. 


    I found a website that lists some good companies with good benefits. The list is from 2019 so hopefully no company has yanked their benefit. Click on more info on the right and scroll all the way down to see their differential policy. 


    Best for Vets: Employers 2019 For-profit companies | Charts | Rebootcamp (militarytimes.com)

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  9. On 6/12/2021 at 5:20 PM, FDNYOldGuy said:

    Thank you for the help and advice, as always, @brabus 

    @Desk Jobs Suck, I just looked back through my UPT orders/mods and I don’t see anything about them being “Voluntary” written anywhere.

    I’d guess they won’t be too crazy about picking up on that piece, but it’ll totally depend on your employer. If they go for it, it’s ~2-2.5 years worth of training/differential pay, so it’s definitely a huge help if you can make it happen. 

    Thanks for taking a look! Might just have to switch to another employer who is willing to offer differential for OTS/UPT/seasoning instead of hoping and praying. Honestly a little surprised no defense contractors are willing to do it except Lockheed. 

  10. On 3/1/2021 at 11:37 AM, tarheelaviator said:

    They hate them but also ask for them.  Stack the evidence against them.  If you can afford to see another couple of doctors who can all attest that you obviously don't have any of the aforementioned issues.  This seems like a textbook case of misunderstanding at all levels.  

    Yeah I hope so. I'm meeting with my unit's flight doc soon to do a write up of my health history, this will carry more weight than some random civilian doctors. Really hoping for the best, should have some answers soon.

  11. 2 hours ago, CavGuy said:

    Do NOT give up. MEPS is horrendous. Having had the pleasure of visiting two MEPS a total of 6 times, I an attest to the inefficiency of paperwork handling at times. A squared away recruiter will keep fighting for you and stay on top of the MEPS folks. Hang in there.

    Wow 6 times? That is ridiculous. Glad you eventually got through though.


    I've actually just learned that MEPS and SG HATE letters from doctors. Annnnd that is what I have been giving them for proof of these tests... Not saying it is a 100% thing but I really hope resubmitting all of my records and not just notes will put me on the good side.

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  12. 7 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:

    I can't directly address your points, but I will say that AFRS is incredibly chaotic right now. There's backups on top of backups when it comes to training/selectees, and that's forcing them to slow down the intake of new people. You could just be hitting the system at the wrong time.

    Either way, keep pushing. MEPS is a fairly low hurdle, so with enough effort and timing... you should prevail.

    That's good to know. Although that would be a terrible excuse to deny someone off of the basis of needing to slow down the pipeline. And those are my thoughts exactly. It is such a low hurdle, certainly I can get past it. I don't want MEPS to tell me I can't fly. I want WP to do that. 

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  13. To preface this I want to say my dad was an AF officer and I was treated at military/TRICARE hospitals my whole life. This means I had to submit every single medical record in my life (about 300 pages). I just finished MEPS (was a battle to even get there, 9 months of back and forth, requests for additional information, the whole 9 yards) and my SG waiver just got denied for asthma, peanut allergies, and dry eye syndrome and I don't know why (there was no info on why it was denied). After I finished MEPS, the SG requested 2 more tests from me and said that I may meet waiver criteria pending successful completion of the tests. These 2 tests were a pre-post bronchodilator spirometry, and an allergy test to confirm no peanut allergy. I passed them both with no problem, does anyone know why there would be a denial? I'm surprised I wasn't even allowed to get past MEPS and get denied by them, not WP. Here is a little more info about me:

    Asthma - Was diagnosed as a kid but all symptoms subside at age 12 and never resurface. This is documented in my medical records. The issue is inhalers were prescribed to me as a precaution until I was about 21. The kicker here is my medical documents state that it was my mom who ordered them. My medical file literally states "language barrier between patient and mother, mother won't let patient speak". I never needed these inhalers but my mom insisted to the doctor that I have them for emergencies. It is noted in my file that after age 12, "never uses, keeps 1 in case of emergency".

    The SG also requested a methacholine challenge test from me prior to letting me take my physical at MEPS. I took that and passed with flying colors. I took another one 2 years ago for my own knowledge to make sure I didn't have asthma. Passed that one with flying colors too, all these tests were sent to the SG.

    Peanut Allergy - I had peanuts when I was 3 years old and my mom thought I looked funny and took me to the ER. Demanded an epi-pen. Never was used. Literally ate peanuts since I was 6 with no problem. Just took a allergy test and oral food challenge test to prove I'm not allergic, passed with flying colors.

    Dry Eyes - I had PRK about 6 years ago and went to the doctors office 6 months after the surgery to get a refill on eye drops. I guess this was coded as dry eye syndrome so I could get the eye drops. This is normal after PRK too, it's not like I'm requesting them 5 years after my surgery complaining about dry eyes.

    I guess I am lost at this point. Why would the SG deny me if I've passed everything and meet all the criteria? Am I missing something? I'm going to meet with my unit's flight surgeon to go over my packet and resubmit everything in a neat tidy document so it can carry more weight. I just don't want this to be the end of the road for me and I'm trying to arm myself with knowledge on this matter. Has anyone experienced anything similar and gotten it overturned? Is it really just lazy people at the office not wanting to read paperwork? Any insight is appreciated!

  14. 21 minutes ago, ryleypav said:

    Sounds like you think this individual doesn't fit the part on that last bit? Being the local probably does give a leg up getting the interview, but as you said, should be a level playing field once you get to the interview. I interviewed multiple times at the unit I ended up getting hired at, and plenty of local dudes got passed up each interview. Maybe that guy has been interviewing for the past few years and they finally gave him a shot. I'd refrain from making assumptions when you're on the interviewee side of the table. Just my $0.02.

    I think it's fine, he's just asking questions.


    1 hour ago, Dangerzone said:

    Would be interesting if a Gray Beard whose led a board or sat on a board could chime in and give their 0.02. 

    If the scale is tipped in the favor of the local guy after an interview or if it's strictly business no good old boy politic games. 

    It honestly depends on the unit. I've been to fighter boards where they only hired legacies that year. I've been to boards where they won't even invite the crew chiefs in and it creates drama. Honestly it depends on each unit. I don't have a specific formula for you but apply to them all and it will increase your chances. You'll start to see a pattern on which units tend to do that and which don't. 

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  15. Thread revival - I was able to get in contact with an enlisted personnel who is a liason at the AF SG office. This person said they work with waivers and have experience, so I asked them of my situation and got super confused all over again. They said it doesn't matter if you never had any symptoms after age 13, if you had an inhaler prescribed after 13 you are done. Is this the true definition of "history after age 13"?

  16. Trying to gauge if this is normal or not since I'm not a doctor who screens pilots but.... Is this a normal situation?


    It took me 9 months to get to MEPS. Dad was in the AF so all my medical files were in (AHLTA?) so I had to disclose everything. I had childhood asthma which was cleared by MEPS and a methacholine challenge test. They dug into my medical file and took issue with something I never had which was vitamin D deficiency. Had to get bloodwork for that to prove I never had it. So after that was proved and 9 months of waiting, they finally let me go to MEPS and I passed. Waiver was then sent up to the SG and they shot it back asking for ANOTHER PFT with bronchodilator and a peanut allergy test. Why are they asking for so many tests, especially after the fact when they could have asked for them before I went to MEPS like they did when they requested a methacholine challenge test? Just seems like it is one thing after the other and I can't tell if I will be good after this set of tests or they will find more stuff to test me on and I'll never officially pass MEPS. 


    Anyone have experience with this situation? Or a similar situation? 

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