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  1. On 12/26/2020 at 9:59 PM, Lord Ratner said:

    Well, thank you for proving my point.

     

    I didn't say mainstream, specifically. And in fact I made it pretty obvious that I don't think all Democrats are SJW lunatics. So, let's stick with what I did say.

     

    The ideological engine of the party (not the voters) is being driven by exactly these types of lunatics. That you are unaware of them is irrelevant. They are *everywhere* in academia, politics, media, and especially big tech companies. While you go on with your life, blissfully unaware, they are whispering in the ears off those making the decisions. Critical race theory, anti-racism, equity... There are a ton of pseudo-intellectual theories that are gaining traction. You shrug them off because you're a rational human, but this curriculum is being taught in classrooms and boardrooms across the nation, and many people are buying the dogma. Again, regardless of your ignorance to the philosophy.

     

    White Fragility has been a Best Seller for over a year. That's not fringe. Read it and tell me it's not the most insane shit you've ever read. Yet, it's definitely relevant on the institutional left.

     

    So, exactly like I said in my post, liberal voters don't know what their own party is espousing. There's no conservative equivalent right now. If Richard Spencer was making huge book deals and having his lectures quoted by sitting senators and presidential candidates, I'd agree with you. But that's not what's happening.

     

    This isn't remotely true though.  The Democratic party tried to float several progressive candidates this past election and most of them failed miserably.  Even now in this day in age the Democratic party remains fairly centrist.  Yes it's a big tent and there are lots of folks across the spectrum on the left that want various things, and many of those things scare you, but idealogically the left hasn't moved much, as evidenced by just electing Biden our most oldest, whitest most milquetoast candidate and guys like Bernie Sanders are still outcasts within the DNC.

    If you see the Democrats receding to the left at breakneck speed, remember all speed is relative and it's more likely your Republican party is the one hurdling towards fascism as Trump's followers are in hordes begging him to declare martial law and invalidate an entire election because he didn't win...but no, we should be scared of some SJW on twitter instead....ok....

  2. On 12/27/2020 at 2:31 AM, lloyd christmas said:

    Does that apply to the homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, sexist, racist and bigoted Nazis on the right as well?  

    It does, but when your keystone party policies are themselves homophobic, transphobic, sexist and racist the line often gets blurred.  The democratic party isn't trying to force SJW justice down your throat in legislature.  It may feel like it with a SJW brigade on twitter, but again as mentioned before just because someone has a lot of followers on twitter doesn't automatically make them the spokesperson for the entire Democratic party.

     

    On 12/27/2020 at 1:08 PM, Hacker said:

    The root of the issue lies in what people interpret "treated equally" to mean.

    The philosophers upon whose tenets western society has been built interpret that to mean "all individuals treated equally before the law".

    I think that's exactly what the BLM protests were about.  I think the messaging was hijacked by bad actors and the right to make them out to be "the real racists" but in the end with events like the death of George Floyd, Brianna Taylor or Philando Castille and see a different treatment before the law.  Do you think the law treats everyone equally?

     

  3. 1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

    This seems to be the biggest disconnect in the conversation these days. Well-intentioned liberal voters are unaware of the the doctrine being espoused by the "intellectuals" driving their party. Makes the conversation difficult when the conservatives are more knowledgeable of what the progressives are pushing than the liberal voter engaged in the discussion. 

     

    Another common retort is that such terminology and the associated arguments represent the crazy fringe of the party. But I don't think it's fair to argue that Ta'-Nehisi Coates, Robin DiAngelo, or Ibram X. Kendi are "fringe" anymore. They are thought leaders being quoted at the highest levels of power.

     

    So when a liberal cites the dictionary, it demonstrates immediately that they don't even know what "their side" is preaching.

    So you argue that this is "mainstream", yet we "don't even know" what our side wants...?  I'm not sure you understand mainstream.  People with a book deal or twitter account does not translate to being the "thought leader".  I'm sure we could drum up some terrifying examples of "thought leaders" for the right, but that doesn't do anyone any good.

    People can use whatever terminology they want, but we just want folks to be treated equally.  That actually polls quite well, so the right has to highlight these caricatures of progressivists to terrify conservatives from approaching reasonable and popular ideas.

    We like to act like all democrats are super SJWs and want to cancel Christmas, but I have yet to ever meet this caricature.  I'm sure one day I will, but generally they are few and far between and most of us are not the extremists we are made out to be and just feel that the rich and corporations don't pull their weight and the government could adjust the scales a bit to help out the less fortunate, particularly if in the long run it would likely make fiscal sense.

  4. 1 hour ago, Sim said:

    Low effort screed.  Why when someone of color is put into a position the assumption becomes that they do not meet the requisites for the job?  Haven't the last 4 years shown that the bar for political offices are embarrassingly low anyways?

    Also, I'm glad the right has woken up and started actually examining qualifications of nominations now. We don't want any green judges to get lifetime appointments, or a defense contractor exec the SEFDEF.  That would be pretty embarrassing.

  5. 6 hours ago, Negatory said:

    I agree that it is a weird, mainly unfounded, dem talking point to say that  requiring a voter ID is racist. There just really isn’t data to support that claim. Even Jimmy Carter headed a study back in 2005 that concluded that, while the actual tangible benefits of requiring IDs may be low, it would still be worth it from a “trust in the system” perspective, and it would not likely significantly affect voting turnout.


    Just phase in the law over 4 years and be done with it. It would probably help improve society’s perception of election integrity at a minimal cost.

    So now it's not about actual security, we are going to create more barriers to voting to make fragile voters feel better?

    If we want people to feel better about the security of their elections, we should do things that...get this...actually secure our elections.  We can't pander to every fragile voter because they are sad about the way an election went and refuse to accept the evidence laid before them.

    Again there is a long list of things that will actually improve security, start with those otherwise people will just assume you are legislating in bad faith and trying to limit the voting pool.

  6. 24 minutes ago, arg said:

    I have "an extremely narrow worldview"? How would you know that? That's an actual quote from you versus the false quote from me you posted. 

    Well you demonstrated in your previous comment that you haven't been or known legitimately poor people or their way of life.  Your only way to "relate" to the topic at hand was to tell us a story of how you hired some poor people once to work on your property, and they probably had licenses because they drove a car.  It's an amazingly tone-deaf story.

    The fact of the matter is the republican party is dieing and the only way they can remain relevant is to gerrymander and raise barriers to voters to drive down participation.  If you actually cared about securing our elections you would have passed any of the bills sent to McConnell over the last several years to provide funding to secure our systems, or working to get rid of voting machines with no auditable paper trail, etc.  But you don't, you only care about chipping away at the voter base and trying to turn over legitimate votes by dubious lawsuits.

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  7. 15 hours ago, arg said:

    If they are "already working two jobs" don't you think they already have an ID? I've had a few people here, in probably the poorest state in the US, that I hired do some work on my small farm that you would consider poverty level folks. They all drove here, so unless they were driving without a licence they had ID. Many states offer no cost IDs, of course NM is not one of them.

    Maybe, maybe not, but just because you have an extremely narrow worldview because "I hired poor people" doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist and enacting laws like this won't make the problem worse.

     

    10 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:

    The soft bigotry of low expectations.   

    Or perhaps its the hard bigotry of trying to enact laws to increasingly marginalize the poorest of our community?

    Again you are all trying to solve a problem you can't even prove exists.  There should be few barriers to voting, particularly for those less fortunate.  Rich peoples' interests are already overrepresented by congress, and the poorest amongst us on either side of the aisle need their voices heard the most.

    If you want to solve a problem, lets look into the rules of how states purge voter rolls making people ineligible to vote, or the intentional slowing the delivery of mail in ballots, or the disproportionately few polling stations in poor neighborhoods, or the last minute closing of polling locations, or the fake ballot drop boxes installed, or the robocalls telling voters not to vote, or people electioneering near polling places?  There is ample evidence of all these things happening every election yet you don't care about that...why is that?

  8. 3 hours ago, arg said:

    Yeah man, those dumb poor black folk caint get themselves no ID. And you said "largely democratic" who can't get food on the table if they have to get an ID?

    This issue is largely tied to poverty and those of all races who cannot afford the time cost involved with sitting at a DMV or equivalent service for a few hours and being told they have to come back with additional paperwork, etc. when they are already working two jobs to make ends meet.  Minorities are disproportionately affected by poverty, but it's still low effort with the race baiting.

  9. If republicans were willing to make it automatic issuance, free, easy and quick to replace then I'd be more for it...but what will happen is they will underfund whatever departments give them so getting or replacing the ID will essentially be a poll tax on time(money) for largely democratic voters who will have to weigh getting food to the table or renewing their voter ID because they changed their haircut and are afraid of being turned back at the polls.

    Many studies have shown that it will disenfranchise largely democratic voters and drive down overall voter participation.  How many is too many to disenfranchise for a problem we can't even prove exists on a significant scale (see Kobach Commission after the "rampant" voting fraud in 2016 per Trump).  You are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist by creating more government involvement.  Everyone that can legally vote should vote, and we shouldn't be putting barriers to that.

    Again I think for those of you who doubt our election system or think its super easy to scam should volunteer to work one.  It's not as easy as you'd think, and the employees it turns out take their job very seriously.

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  10. I'll add my .02 for USAA homeowners...

    I was renting a FL home for a bit, and when I came back between renters I found my 15 year old roof had damage to it...mostly from being baked brittle in the FL sun for 15 years and going through some hurricanes.  Called a few roofers out, and they him hawed about it, told me I needed to buy a new roof...until they heard I had USAA.  They said USAA doesn't really put up a fight, whereas other insurance companies would require lots of documentation near the time of a recent hurricane along with justification...just too much work.  USAA was no problem, sent them the quote...they tied it to the last major storm 6 months prior, and a few weeks later I had a new 30 year roof.  That's luckily my only experience making a homeowners claim...so I'm not sure if it's that way with others, but the roofers made it seem like they liked working for USAA.

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  11. 11 hours ago, Majestik Møøse said:

    Don’t worry man, most of your party are still the Silent Majority. They voted for Trump, but they know he lost, and now are appalled watching the Alex Jones crowd act like total fools. It is disappointing to see Republican leadership sit idly by and not throw down on the embarrassing factions.

    I'm not so sure you have the pulse of your party.  Two polls have shown 60%+ of republicans believe the election was rigged.  As for silent...I'd beg to differ based off what I've seen in my environment.  People scoffing at FoxNews, retreating to even safer safe-spaces of OANN and totallyrealnewsipromise.com websites, constant whinging and moaning about conspiracy theories at work.  The monster you created has turned on itself and began to eat.  That's why republican lawmakers are terrified to say Biden won in public because they will be targetted as a RINO by Cult45.  Trying to distance yourself from the crazy isn't really possible at this point.  Trump isn't going anywhere, and if he does move to purchase OANN and retains his cult over the next 4 years you will be dealing with him for a long time.  If there is one thing he is good at, it's staying in the spotlight.

     

  12. 1 hour ago, Breckey said:

    Same stuff was circulating on the interwebs four years ago. How many people said they were going to move to Canada?

    Yes because moving to canada and starting a civil war are the same thing, and we should have the same response to both.

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  13. I'm shocked that the party of personal responsibility refuses to accept personal responsibility for running a shitty campaign that only pandered to his base, and did nothing to win over the moderate US.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

    It's almost as if years of yelling "Benghazi" and "Buttery males" desensitized the media to your ridiculous claims, and now require you to actually produce proof of wrongdoing.  Does it get tiring playing the victim?

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  14. 6 hours ago, Kiloalpha said:

    Never-Trumpers aren't going to just walk over from R to D wholesale if a potentially all Democrat-led government does things like add states, increase SCOTUS justices, Green New Deal, etc. They'll just stay R and try to defeat Trump in a primary. If Democrats govern in a moderate (in my opinion responsible) fashion, then sure, that type of a change could be possible.

    I just don't see it happening with the people Biden is picking, and the power struggle going on between the left and Democrats.

    What is your vision of moderate democrat positions that would make Republicans happy?  

  15. 2 hours ago, ViperMan said:

    Soooooo...war or war. Ok. We're not threatening them with destruction - we're giving them a choice between pursuing a policy that will result in them possessing something that will result in their upending, or not doing that thing and continuing with the status quo. Right now, they don't possess nuclear weapons, and we're NOT overthrowing them. So the idea that they have a legitimate right to pursue nukes in order for their own security is a non-starter.

    NK doesn't give one F about the US - it's a performance. It's a show. We are their boogeyman so they have something to justify their poor existence. 0 reason they actually want to use nukes on us or SK.

    Iran views Israel as illegitimate and has made statements to the effect that they should be destroyed. That, combined with a desire to use non-conventional means to implement their policy, puts them into a category altogether different from NK - it makes them an actual threat.

    Like it or not, we are the world's police, and the world order is dependent on us - right or wrong, that gives us the responsibility to ensure suitcase nukes don't blow up in Jerusalem. If that pisses off some al-whoevers, IDGAF.

    Yeah NK never made statements that someone should be destroyed or that they would use their weapons preemptively...🙄

    You can fantasize all you want about Iran suddenly denuclearizing from a threat, or an all out shooting war with a potential to go nuclear, but the reality is that they will do what they think is best for themselves, and if they continue to feel threatened, by the US, by Israel, by the West, whoever...they will take steps to ensure their safety.  They have seen NK nuclearize after years of empty threats and no repercussions, and as you eluded to before things didn't go well for Libya...so what is their rational choice?

    While the JCPOA wasn't great, it at least hit the pause button and pushed the decision until later when hopefully cooler heads prevail or another solution presents itself.  Again I am/was open to Trump reworking the deal to be more advantageous, but he didn't.  Even if the JCPOA did nothing, the only outcome of destroying the deal is a symbolic gesture of hostility towards them to instigate them to nuclearize faster and remove any incentives.  It doesn't make sense and you guys are defending a ridiculous position, but don't let reality get in the way of your fantasies.

  16. 2 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

    Your “delay” is just that...one that leads to them also developing weapons. Our position is non proliferation, make the consequences dire not soft and laughable. 

    A lot can happen in a decade delay.  Just because it's controlled by a extremely conservative religious group and they want to impose their ideals on others doesn't mean there isn't a younger more forward thinking generation of more liberal minded individuals who will want to go a different direction.  Wait...are we talking Iran still?

    2 hours ago, pawnman said:

    Li'l Kim's situation is looking good because we smashed the last regime to GIVE UP its WMD program...Libya.

    Kinda ironic that you think the guy pulling troops out of the Middle East is the warhawk.  Seems to me actions like killing Iran's top terrorist demonstrate reasons why Iran should NOT poke the bear, while giving them pallets of cash encourage them to rattle the saber any time the treasury looks empty...kind of like North Korea.

    Viper is the warhawk, not Trump.  I don't think Trump cares about war unless it makes him look good, gets him rich or reelected. He knows enough to know it does none of those things.  I honestly don't think he even cared about the details of the Iran deal, but he was told to destroy it, and it had Obama's name on it so he broke it with the empty promise of something far greater like he did with literally everything he touched.  Honestly Iran could have nukes right now if they had appealed to Trump's ego 4 years ago like lil Kim did, but the whole saving face thing gets in the way.

    I don't disagree with your Libya comments, but in the end I don't think it would have stopped things, it only sped them up.

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  17. 54 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

    Nah. The best deal is a simple and clear foreign policy that states "You can't have nuclear weapons. And if you build them, we'll take them away from you and destroy your government."

    So you get to pick between a deal that delays their program or what is likely certain war, and you choose warhawk.

    Countries act in their own self interest, and if you threaten them with destruction, and turn the cheek to Israel doing the same shit and sabre rattling then you are only encouraging them to amp up their program.

    This is essentially the policy we have set with Iran and NK in the past...and how has that turned out?  Lil Kim's situation is likely looking pretty nice to Iran right now.

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  18. 5 hours ago, arg said:

    So, let's talk about when Biden is POTUS. We are back in Paris Climate deal, Iran deal, Green new deal etc? $200 tax for so called "assault weapons and mags" he's flip flopped on oil drilling/fracking,Expect pump prices to be $4 a gallon. How much manufacturing will go back to China?

    Iran deal was better than no deal, which is what we currently have, despite being promised a much much better one.  That being said I think the potential for another deal died with their nuclear scientist.  Warhawks gonna warhawk.

  19. You're really going to "muh both sides" me with a 20 year old example?  Surely you can find a better, more recent example than democrats going to court on mail in ballots postmarked after the election...something that would give most republicans an aneurysm in 2020.

    Sure fraud happens on a negligible level and is usually caught, but "massive" is a bit of an overstatement.  Even the hyper-partisan Kobach commission came up dry, like most republican investigations into "fraud".

    As said before the biggest flaw in these conspiracy theories is that it assumes the government can coordinate and execute something this big without anyone knowing about it or coming clean.  On top of that, the idea we cheated yet neglected to check the boxes for senate seats is just laughable.  Also since there's 50 states, why are we only concerned about fraud in a couple states if it's so widespread?  Seems like if we really are that devious there would be ample evidence everywhere. I was promised a Kraken.  Where is my Kraken?

    Trump should have won given how close the race was and how poorly his decision making process was...but he is too arrogant to listen to anyone and has surrounded himself with yes men.  He is literally the dude who chooses the throwaway COA every time.  "we could ignore it and wait for it to go away, we could issue an apology and pretend to care, or we could double down and insult their mom" "Yeah, lets go with 3"

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  20. wait...I'm a bit lost, so bear with me...the republican party, who closes voting locations in democrat-heavy districts, installs fake ballot drop boxes, intentionally slowed the USPS to slow mail in voting, purged voter rolls, and imposed a poll tax on felons to vote...is claiming voter disenfranchisement...because people made it easier to vote during a pandemic?

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