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Look up the number to the Total Force Service center and call and ask for the palace chase office and what is taking so long, they have to answer your request, usually a response from MYPERs through email, you will be on hold for prob 45 min, but it will move it along, mine they totally forgot about 

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57 minutes ago, BADFNZ said:

I have a non-standard situation. 

I work directly for the Wing/CC so when I submitted the electronic application, I put my Wing/CC as my supervisor.  After I clicked submit, I checked the status and it said "Referred to Sq Commander".  I emailed my Wing/CC to see if it's with him, but haven't gotten a response.  No one at MPF, AFPC, etc can tell me who it is with right now.  So is "Referred to Sq Commander" just the generic name of the first step, or is it sitting in the internet abyss right now?  What kind of notification will my Wing/CC get when it gets to him?

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On 3/23/2019 at 9:54 AM, BADFNZ said:

I have a non-standard situation. 

I work directly for the Wing/CC so when I submitted the electronic application, I put my Wing/CC as my supervisor.  After I clicked submit, I checked the status and it said "Referred to Sq Commander".  I emailed my Wing/CC to see if it's with him, but haven't gotten a response.  No one at MPF, AFPC, etc can tell me who it is with right now.  So is "Referred to Sq Commander" just the generic name of the first step, or is it sitting in the internet abyss right now?  What kind of notification will my Wing/CC get when it gets to him?

Are you an out of hide billet? If so, maybe check with your sq/cc billet owner.

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On 3/23/2019 at 10:54 AM, BADFNZ said:

I have a non-standard situation. 

I work directly for the Wing/CC so when I submitted the electronic application, I put my Wing/CC as my supervisor.  After I clicked submit, I checked the status and it said "Referred to Sq Commander".  I emailed my Wing/CC to see if it's with him, but haven't gotten a response.  No one at MPF, AFPC, etc can tell me who it is with right now.  So is "Referred to Sq Commander" just the generic name of the first step, or is it sitting in the internet abyss right now?  What kind of notification will my Wing/CC get when it gets to him?

Call the Total Force Service Center and ask to talk to the Palace Chase office.  

I submitted my PC app a month ago and kept checking vMPF to see the status and it said “Referred to Sq/CC” except it wasn’t. After the J1 failed to track the app down in CMS, I called the PC office and found my app had been sitting for over 2 weeks with the Palace Chase office with no action as it was missing Sq and Wg/CC endorsement.  I asked what they were planning on doing with it and was told, nothing.

Eventually got them to reroute it per the PSD Separations Guide to the Sq/CC and it just recently showed up in their CMS...so that’s a month added to an already long process.  I’d imagine if you don’t have a Sq/CC check but have Wg/CC that shouldn’t hold up the process but is worth asking when you call the PC office.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease and good luck.

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Second post, longtime lurker and want to thank everyone for their help in navigating the Palace Chase process.  I’ve read through this thread in its entirety numerous times to get all my questions answered.

11S applied for PC on 28 Feb. Already hired into AGR job in same AFSC and MWS with 2nd and 3rd endorsements complete.  Turned down IDE in-res this summer to apply. 

Guard unit supports AD unit I was previously assigned. Asking for 3 months off UPT and 15 months of GI Transfer of Benefits.  Sq and Wg Commanders are supportive.  Hoping for first time approval to get the family back to our hometown. 

If anyone has any questions about the process, please don’t hesitate to reach out either here or DM and I’ll do whatever I can to steer you in the right direction. 

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I'm hearing PC's are taking around 6ish months in general for approval from when you push them up the chain. What would happen if you apply for PC 5-6 months out and the process isn't over by the requested separation date? Would they cancel the entire package, or meet somewhere in the middle with a counter-offer?

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2 hours ago, Pretty_Darn_Good said:

Call the Total Force Service Center and ask to talk to the Palace Chase office.  

I submitted my PC app a month ago and kept checking vMPF to see the status and it said “Referred to Sq/CC” except it wasn’t. After the J1 failed to track the app down in CMS, I called the PC office and found my app had been sitting for over 2 weeks with the Palace Chase office with no action as it was missing Sq and Wg/CC endorsement.  I asked what they were planning on doing with it and was told, nothing.

Eventually got them to reroute it per the PSD Separations Guide to the Sq/CC and it just recently showed up in their CMS...so that’s a month added to an already long process.  I’d imagine if you don’t have a Sq/CC check but have Wg/CC that shouldn’t hold up the process but is worth asking when you call the PC office.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease and good luck.

 I called the Total Force Center but they'll never route me to the PC office.  They just write down my questions and put me on hold to ask them.  Have a secret code to get through?  I specifically asked the "no Sq/CC" question to them a few weeks ago before I submitted, and after putting me on hold she came back and said it shouldn't be a problem, but I don't trust the middle man in this situation.

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 I called the Total Force Center but they'll never route me to the PC office.  They just write down my questions and put me on hold to ask them.  Have a secret code to get through?  I specifically asked the "no Sq/CC" question to them a few weeks ago before I submitted, and after putting me on hold she came back and said it shouldn't be a problem, but I don't trust the middle man in this situation.


Unfortunately I don’t have a secret code. I’ve had the same experience of having to go through a middle man which is super frustrating that you can’t just talk to the actual office. My experience has varied wildly depending on who the middle man happens to be. If I don’t like the result, I’ll just call back an hour later (wait on hold for 45 mins, speaker phone helps) and then hope for someone different/more helpful.

I’ve had some success with filing MyPERS incidents and then calling the total force number to request updates to that specific question through the middle man but even that is hit or miss.
Hoping someone can chime in with a better way because the current process is ridiculous.

Also, I’ve had mild success with having someone with CMS access look up my case number to figure out where it might be hung up and then calling/e-mailing repeatedly that POC until they determine it is easier to move it along then continue to deal with me.


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Found another way to see where your PC app sits through vMPF’s Case Management System link at the top right of the vMPF homepage.
Maybe this is common knowledge, but wasn’t for me as I just assumed since I didn’t have CMS access I couldn’t track it. Confirmed this morning you are able to view your own cases by selecting “active cases” inside that page.
Unfortunately it doesn’t list contact info but does have office symbol with a time/date stamp of when that office was assigned it.



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12 hours ago, Pretty_Darn_Good said:

Found another way to see where your PC app sits through vMPF’s Case Management System link at the top right of the vMPF homepage.
Maybe this is common knowledge, but wasn’t for me as I just assumed since I didn’t have CMS access I couldn’t track it. Confirmed this morning you are able to view your own cases by selecting “active cases” inside that page.
Unfortunately it doesn’t list contact info but does have office symbol with a time/date stamp of when that office was assigned it.



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Yep, I check that link daily.  For some reason it doesn't match what my vMPF Separations Application status says.

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I checked it today, apparently my application has been bouncing around various stops in the Officer Assignments/Manning shop at AFPC this week. It’s been 4 weeks.


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1 hour ago, MooseAg03 said:

I checked it today, apparently my application has been bouncing around various stops in the Officer Assignments/Manning shop at AFPC this week. It’s been 4 weeks.


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Moose, sounds like we are in almost the exact same boat.

after Wg/cc it goes to AFPC to get recommendations based on numbers from from Core AFSC and duty afsc, then back to Pc office and afpc division chief for final adjudication.

ive got a little birdy friend that’s able to pull down the “transmittal sheet” from CMS and it spells it out pretty clearly. From what it looks like, it shows that the Col can approve the final given dual recommendations on the way up.

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Actually, looks like you don’t even need CMS access to view that sheet. Go to vmpf>self-service actions >separations >voluntary sep >view my application then scroll down to the documents attached to your app. It’s labelled “new SAFPC transmittal”

it’s a consolidated sheet that has the sq/cc rec, Wg/cc rec, afpc’s afsc #s, pc’s rec, and most importantly at the bottom it lists who will be the final adjudication. I think if “afpc adjudicate” is selected then it doesn’t need to go up to sit at SAF/PC for 8 weeks. That’s my understanding, and it jives with Goat’s earlier comments.

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Thanks Kitten Mittens, I finally got Sq and Wg/CC approvals today and those options opened up in vMPF for me to see approvals, comments, and the next steps.
Really hoping my application can get adjudicated at the O-6 level and not go to SAF/PC.
Once again this forum is the best resource for learning how to flight follow/keep this thing going. Thanks all!


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Where does it spell out the correct routing for the PC app?  We were just guessing that it should go to the PC office after Wg/CC, but you guys are saying AFPC Separations?

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there’s a document on myPers that has a flow chart and lays it out really simple. I think it’s called the separation program guide or something like that. I’ve got it saved, I’ll let you know on monday when I’m back at my computer. I’ve referenced and attached it as supporting docs when my css or the wing didn’t know where to route stuff.

i believe after the HR review by sq/cc and Wg/cc it went to the palace chase office to verify eligibility, then it went to AFPC separations for routing and manning checks. I think the first office code was DP2STM and then they sent it to DP2O...I only remember that because I was stalking for names/numbers on global based on the office codes I could see in the CMS status page.

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1 hour ago, BADFNZ said:

Where does it spell out the correct routing for the PC app?  We were just guessing that it should go to the PC office after Wg/CC, but you guys are saying AFPC Separations?

@Pretty_Darn_Good @Kitten Mittens

They are called PSDs. They have a bunch of things and are the personnel guides that keep you from knowing their processes that conflict with AFIs.

 

They are all on MyPers.

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This is the flow 

 

SQ/CC

WG/CC

—palace Chase office confirms your eligible then sends it to your functional 

—functional send it to his boss

—back to palace chase office who sends it to 06 in charge of Manning 

–06....either approved (if all previous approvals) or goes onto SAF/PC

 

 

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Just be advised, the flow chart is incorrect for officers when it comes to your 1288. They copy and pasted the enlisted chart so it says first endorser on the 1288 is Sq/CC whereas per reg it should be Wg/CC for officers.

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Earliest you can submit a PC app is 12 months from your requested separation date?

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I’m pretty sure that’s only for enlisted, not officer Palace Chase...it’s listed in the separations guide.

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Yeah, the flow chart is wrong when it comes to routing of the app as well. The office symbols are all different than what I’m seeing in CMS.

 

My app has been sitting with DP2O (or something) since 26 March with no movement. After 3 calls to the Total Force Service center, their computers were finally up and running. The customer service rep tried to connect me to officer assignments, but I guess it’s too late on a Friday.

 

 

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